My 60 Amp indoor panel inside a kitchen cabinet will not pass inspection. And it does not pass insurance codes with having round fuses. Can I scrap the inside setup and have electric lam junction all circuits to an outdoor panel and just pay for the better quality enclosure to not have to demo my kitchen and redo with and designated area.
Camp in pa. Can I put an outdoor breaker panel?
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What inspection? Are you modifying some circuits?
I mean why not just put a good breaker box in just for you?
Never seen an insurance company have to approve work. I'm 99.9% certain they do NOT, they just expect things to be compliant with local codes and no codes require things to be kept up with current codes, so your round fuses are just fine.
What are you doing and why is there a need for an inspection ?
What are you doing and why is there a need for an inspection ?
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if what you're saying is you want to use the old 60A panel as a junction/splice box and have an electrician relocate the circuits to an exterior mounted panel on the backside wall of the kitchen or pedestal mounted? as long as it is acceptable practices by your local jurisdiction and building code. only thing is i can see most electricians also wanting to sell a complete re-wire if you're still running with glass fuses the current wiring is definitely behind with current code and what you have now you're grandfathered but once you start getting involved with panel/service replacements you may be required to bring the structure up to current code or whatever the latest code your jurisdiction is working under. keep us posted
Sometimes insurance companies don't believe in "grandfathering" like local building codes allow, so OP is probably on the hook to quickly fix this situation.
I found this: https://up.codes/viewer/pennsylvania/irc-2009/chapter/38/wiring-methods#38
I found this: https://up.codes/viewer/pennsylvania/irc-2009/chapter/38/wiring-methods#38
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He needs to know exactly what the insurance company and their underwriters want so he knows what he can do to satisfy them. I get it a service panel in a confined space tucked away in a cabinet won’t fly.
I have been told by two sources [old electricians] that the old glass round fuses are safer.
Skip the insurance maybe.
When has an insurance company ever done an "inspection" during new construction or remodeling ?
Look at the policy and dec sheet. I'll almost guarantee that there is absolutely zero wording or reference to electrical service and/or wiring.
While your current service and wiring would likely be an issue with a home inspection in a sales transaction, the insurance carrier pays little or zero attention to it.
Insurance companies draw information on a national database and are aware of risks by address and location. If they were concerned about the possibility of a risk, they'd indicate it when you request a quote or in your actual premium.
While your current service and wiring would likely be an issue with a home inspection in a sales transaction, the insurance carrier pays little or zero attention to it.
Insurance companies draw information on a national database and are aware of risks by address and location. If they were concerned about the possibility of a risk, they'd indicate it when you request a quote or in your actual premium.
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So I did not want to get this specific as im not doing the work. I wanted to know if this was an option, thats all.
The outdoor drop, meter box, and main service wire going into the camp is no longer servicable. It is rotted out and dangerous.
The small 60 amp 4 fuse panel is located in a kitchen cabinet. It is going to be very hard to buy a modern 100AMP panel and get all of that shoe horned into that small space. I wanted to get a new junction box, and re-route the wires all to outdoor conduit box and run everything outdoors to make it easier and not have to loose kitchen cabinet space.
Also I can then turn the power on and off from outdoors when it is dark out & use a locked panel.
I am needing to use "fly by night" insurance companies as erie ins / state farm wont touch a camp with no primary heat / water system. (Wood stoves dont count as primary heat). Also insurance companies do not want a 4 fuse 60amp panel. They want 6 circuit 100 amp as the min. For once im not arguing as this 1950s service is junk and needs replaced.
The outdoor drop, meter box, and main service wire going into the camp is no longer servicable. It is rotted out and dangerous.
The small 60 amp 4 fuse panel is located in a kitchen cabinet. It is going to be very hard to buy a modern 100AMP panel and get all of that shoe horned into that small space. I wanted to get a new junction box, and re-route the wires all to outdoor conduit box and run everything outdoors to make it easier and not have to loose kitchen cabinet space.
Also I can then turn the power on and off from outdoors when it is dark out & use a locked panel.
I am needing to use "fly by night" insurance companies as erie ins / state farm wont touch a camp with no primary heat / water system. (Wood stoves dont count as primary heat). Also insurance companies do not want a 4 fuse 60amp panel. They want 6 circuit 100 amp as the min. For once im not arguing as this 1950s service is junk and needs replaced.
Don’t insure it. Camp says it all
Yes outdoor main routed in to your old main as just a junction box
Some guys here are really sharp as they picked up all that from your OP. Listen to them.
Yes outdoor main routed in to your old main as just a junction box
Some guys here are really sharp as they picked up all that from your OP. Listen to them.
Just search for outdoor boxes, HD and Lowes sell 100A boxes.
Outdoor boxes are common in industrial sites. I've seen them many times. They also seem to be common in places like Arizona and Florida. Personally I would not want one outdoors for a house.
You're going to need a pro for this. Sounds like you have an OLD antiquated 60amp service. Probably why insurance is flagging it. I know you don't want to rip the kitchen apart, but IMO this needs to be brought up to code.
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