Camissa tests the Cybertruck

fantastic said:
My biggest gripe? They did not test the actual towing. Maybe I missed it in this "Review"? Does anyone have an actual towing test video of this truck?
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It’s a channel about performance testing. That’s what they do. You’ll be looking for TFL’s truck channel.
 
Shel_B said:
I would say that SbW is far from unconventional and unproven.
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When currently 1 model of 1 brand uses SbW it is unconventional and unproven in automotive application. SbW in rear wheel applications is a totally different thing. If it fails I bet it defaults mechanically to straight ahead. I'm no technophobe but I do know that every consumer electronic/computer device I've ever owned has glitched or frozen at some time. No big deal, restart or press some buttons or whatever. Kind of a big deal if it glitches in a car's steering.

There was an explanation above about approval.
 
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Torrid said:
So we're saying this is the first steer by wire vehicle? What about the Infiniti Q50? That was like 8-9 years ago.
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A little quick research shows that Infiniti left the mechanical steering parts in place and it disconnects with a clutch that re-engages if power is lost so not true SbW only.
 
Torrid said:
It’s a channel about performance testing. That’s what they do. You’ll be looking for TFL’s truck channel.
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While it does mention drag racing it does claim "In this world-exclusive comprehensive First Review of the Tesla Cybertruck". Comprehensive should mean a towing & payload tests on this "truck". I'll look for TFL's review.
 
Ausfahrt said:
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Im a bit confused on those tests, I assume this is marketing 101 where companies manipulate statistics like Apple does every event claiming Gazzillion percent better performance then last year.

-The lightening was spinning the front tires all the way, seems to be in fwd only mode or is that normal traction control logic for the lightening where a heavy tongue weight defaults the power to the front wheels only?

-The rivian, was that in tow mode, and normal air suspension setting?

-The cybertruck was flat through out the pull, was the range extender in this version?

Great Presentation, but without independent testing its objectively useless
 
AZjeff said:
When currently 1 model of 1 brand uses SbW it is unconventional and unproven in automotive application. SbW in rear wheel applications is a totally different thing. If it fails I bet it defaults mechanically to straight ahead. I'm no technophobe but I do know that every consumer electronic/computer device I've ever owned has glitched or frozen at some time. No big deal, restart or press some buttons or whatever. Kind of a big deal if it glitches in a car's steering.

There was an explanation above about approval.
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SbW and joystick controls have been used in vans for years to allow paraplegics and other physically impaired people to drive. Steer-by-wire technology from Schaeffler-Paravan has removed the need for a steering column, and logged over a billion miles of accident-free road use.

SbW technology is now being used in competition in the DTM, the national-level GTC Race series and Germany’s national rally championship.

Nissan is credited with the implementation of steer-by-wire systems on commercial cars for the first time. Nissan began testing a steer-by-wire system in their Skyline Hybrid in the 2010s, which they later launched as the Infiniti Q50 in the US in 2013. That said, the Infiniti Q50 sedan was the first commercial vehicle to feature steer-by-wire, which the Q60 coupe later inherited in 2017.

In addition to the Lexus, Toyota also uses the technology in the BZ4X. So, with the inclusion of the Infinity and now the Tesla, that makes four road-legal models using the technology, not counting the paravans. SbW has also found its way into track-focused cars like the Audi R8 LMS GT3, BMW M6 GT3, and the Mercedes-AMG GT3.

I'd love to continue this discussion, but I have a meeting to get ready for. I'll check back later today.
 
Shel_B said:
SbW and joystick controls have been used in vans for years...................................... and the Mercedes-AMG GT3.
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All I wondered was if there was approval needed to put true stand alone SbW on US highways. If it was already approved previously as it exists in the Cybertruck answers the question. What's used on aircraft or racetracks or European roads doesn't validate it for road use here. And the Infiniti system had/has all of the mechanical steering in place as a fail safe as previously noted. Not sure the point, did NTSB or whoever at some point approve true stand alone SbW for use. True or False.

If another maker has a SBW system like this Tesla system in use now I wasn't aware of it.
 
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fantastic said:
While it does mention drag racing it does claim "In this world-exclusive comprehensive First Review of the Tesla Cybertruck". Comprehensive should mean a towing & payload tests on this "truck". I'll look for TFL's review.
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Sure, but I know what to expect from Cammisa and I really doubt anyone is going to bother towing anyway. I don’t think we’d benefit from Cammisa doing this as he’s not a guy with towing experience.
 
Torrid said:
Sure, but I know what to expect from Cammisa and I really doubt anyone is going to bother towing anyway. I don’t think we’d benefit from Cammisa doing this as he’s not a guy with towing experience.
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Sounds like a limitation of this channel instead. I think there are many that would benefit from seeing a towing & payload test on this "truck". There's already aftermarket companies building things to be placed in the bed of these already (campers etc.). They're advertising 10,000+ lbs towing capacity & I'll assume there will be some that will tow with it. It may be the home lawnmower but still this test is something that some "Truck" buyers would look into.
 
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fantastic said:
Sounds like a limitation of this channel instead. I think there are many that would benefit from seeing a towing & payload test on this "truck". There's already aftermarket companies building things to be placed in the bed of these already (campers etc.). They're advertising 10,000+ lbs towing capacity & I'll assume there will be some that will tow with it. It may be the home lawnmower but still this test is something that a lot of "Truck" buyers would look into.
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If it was a towing channel I wouldn’t be interested. Literally every video takes place on a track if it’s not a history of a brand or model episode. They aren’t truck buyers either. What you saw is exactly what they do.

Those tests will come with a couple of channels I know that those tests are their bread and butter. TFLs Ike Gauntlet will be interesting I’m sure. I just see very little truck buyers buying this truck. I don’t personally know a single truck owner that would even consider an EV, let alone this one. Towing is always the first thing brought up. Part of that may be where I live. It gets cold here and that’s the sticking point. Whether or not they call me an idiot for owning an EV during the conversation is a coin toss. 😂
 
Just an FYI, we use "fly by wire" in all our modern aircraft. It is better and more reliable than mechanical controls. However, the reasons for that edge on safety has to do with how many flight controls an airplane has, and what happens if just one fails. A simple mechanical aileron system failure locks up the entire system. Not so with Fly By Wire. As the bad aileron remains faired, and the rest of the roll control system remains functional. The other aileron and all 6 spoilers still work.

SBW is different, and will require different safety protocols, but I expect a high level of reliability, safety and a high level of expense. Let's be honest here, it is hard to beat the robustness of a quality rack and pinion system with an integrated hydraulic actuator.
 
Torrid said:
If it was a towing channel I wouldn’t be interested. Literally every video takes place on a track if it’s not a history of a brand or model episode. They aren’t truck buyers either. What you saw is exactly what they do.

Those tests will come with a couple of channels I know that those tests are their bread and butter. TFLs Ike Gauntlet will be interesting I’m sure. I just see very little truck buyers buying this truck. I don’t personally know a single truck owner that would even consider an EV, let alone this one. Towing is always the first thing brought up. Part of that may be where I live. It gets cold here and that’s the sticking point. Whether or not they call me an idiot for owning an EV during the conversation is a coin toss. 😂
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If TFL tests this Tesla on the Ike it will probably be their most watched video. That will be an interesting test review.
 
Cujet said:
Just an FYI, we use "fly by wire" in all our modern aircraft. It is better and more reliable than mechanical controls. However, the reasons for that edge on safety has to do with how many flight controls an airplane has, and what happens if just one fails. A simple mechanical aileron system failure locks up the entire system. Not so with Fly By Wire. As the bad aileron remains faired, and the rest of the roll control system remains functional. The other aileron and all 6 spoilers still work.

SBW is different, and will require different safety protocols, but I expect a high level of reliability, safety and a high level of expense. Let's be honest here, it is hard to beat the robustness of a quality rack and pinion system with an integrated hydraulic actuator.
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Redundancy is paramount in these systems, so if one fails backups exist. In the nissan system the sbw was done with a mechanical linkage. The issue with nissan was multifold, but on the user experience side, most drivers felt as they were removed from the driving feedback a mechanical linkage and even modern eps systems put out.

With the Toyota systems, which are used in europe and china, they have a redundant system. The odds of complete failure are really low, but they still exist as with even mechanical and eps systems. The failure mode would also be different, but I assume engineers designed that outcome as well. In addition Ota updates are in the pipeleine. The next iteration of the system i believe is going from 200 to 150 degrees at low speed.

The biggest Issue though is customer education and open mindness. Without that it just become a contenous debate or any avenue for folks to win darwin awards. For instance Autopilot/fsd does not grant a license to sleep at the wheel
 
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