Cam chains worn out, what now?

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At just over 34 thousand miles the front cam chain on my Suzuki 650 vstrom wore out completely and the rear one was in not far behind. I replaced the chains, guides and tensioners but couldn't find any cause for the failure. The spockets and cam journals look fine and the cam lobes aren't worn. The engine has been fed a steady diet of high end motorcycle oils at less than 5,000 mile intervals. This engine is also used in the SV 650 and early cam chain failure doesn't seem to be a problem at all. I haven't tested the oil pressure yet but I would expect the bearing journals to fail, not the chains if that was the problem. I'll check it though when the thread adapter I ordered gets here. The engine is a liquid cooled v-twin.

The bike is a daily commuter that is ridden year round, sometimes in sub freezing weather. The coldest ever was 17F degrees but normally it doesn't get nearly that cold and I don't know if that has anything to do with the problem anyway. The trips are normally 15 to 20 minutes. I don't bounce off the rev limiter or do wheelies. I tried Amsoil, Torco, Castrol and Silkolene before settling on Redline 10w-40 for the last few changes. I am thinking of going with a 5w-40 like maxima for the better start up flow in exchange for a (probably) lower HTHS. Any thoughts?
 
over tensioned tensioner would stretch the chain. In my BMWS (bimmers), conventional 20w50 is fine down to 10F. Can you run a double row chain?
 
Is your driving style aggressive? Hard launches and harsh shifts will have an affect on the rpm of the engine and torque utilized which will stress the timing chain possibly beyond its design specification.
 
Originally Posted By: Kool1
Is your driving style aggressive? Hard launches and harsh shifts will have an affect on the rpm of the engine and torque utilized which will stress the timing chain possibly beyond its design specification.


This is true, especially if repeatedly done before an engine has fully warmed up.
 
I don't think your oil has anything to do with it, how are you determining wear, tensioner extension or cant get timing marks to line up, or noise?


Is this windup type tentioners or rachet paw type?
 
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I don't thinl i would ever run a motorbike to 5000miles.

When i was a motorbike courier 1000 miles was common

Even fleet bikes got theirs done every 2/3k at most, usually usually monthly.

I changed it every 1k on my Yamaha 250 scooter aswell mainly due to it only having a guaze filter.

Done a quick chexk and Shell say 4000 miles or 12months using 10w40.
 
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No reason it should be worn out if the bikes was not ridden hard and had good maintenance. Only suzuki I know of that has had cam chain/tensioner issues is the S40. Lots of tensioner failures on those, so much there is an aftermarket manual tensioner fix to replace the automatic one.

That engine is pretty bullet proof.
 
Cam chains that are fed a steady diet of oil don't have a reason to wear out... tensioners may stop working and the slack may grow enough where the chain may ride high on the sprockets and in some extreme cases actually skip a tooth...
 
The OEM Suzuki spring tensioner puts a good load on the chain, many say to much of a load leading the premature wear. I don't agree but that is what they say.

Buy a good manual adjuster like KWS or APE and replace all the parts including guides and tide the bike another 50K. It is a great motor.
 
Originally Posted By: rraiderr
The OEM Suzuki spring tensioner puts a good load on the chain, many say to much of a load leading the premature wear. I don't agree but that is what they say.



A cam chain laboring under too much tension will produce a audible moaning noise that should alert the rider...
 
The dl650 uses the ratchet paw type with a compression spring, It has a saw tooth rack, how many open teeth are left on the tentioner, to extend?
 
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I would not run 5k OCI on a bike. other than that, not sure that you did anything wrong. I have a Suzi S50 and there seems to be a fairly common understanding that the chains, guides, tensioner will wear out on that in the 35-40k range. I don't know how true that is.
 
Originally Posted By: spackard
I thought the rule was change chain and sprockets together.
Anyway, this URL gives a little idea that throttle style can affect wear:
http://bmwmotorcycletech.info/timingchain.htm


I would have changed them together but the cam sprockets are cast into the cams and the drive sprocket is part of the crank shaft. I don't really ride agressive these days.
 
Originally Posted By: Mackelroy
I don't think your oil has anything to do with it, how are you determining wear, tensioner extension or cant get timing marks to line up, or noise?


Is this windup type tentioners or rachet paw type?


It has a metal rod with a ratchet mechanism and a spring. The front tensioner was fully extended but the chain was still loose. It was making the noise which got me looking for the problem. The rear tensioner was out to the last four notches, so it was pretty worn too.
 
4 teeth left Id say another 30 thousand miles easy, but the front sounds toast. Since its that bad Id install new guides too.

usually a new chain begins around mid rack
 
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Something is not right. Did you buy the bike new or used? These Stroms routinely see 100k miles before needing internal attention so I would consider this an anomaly or a case of previous abuse.
 
Originally Posted By: bigdreama
Something is not right. Did you buy the bike new or used? These Stroms routinely see 100k miles before needing internal attention so I would consider this an anomaly or a case of previous abuse.


I bought it with 9700 miles on it. I have looked at the vstrom and sv650 forums and they all say what you just did: the chains should last far longer. I simply can't think of a good reason why one chain would be shot and the other worn with so few miles while everything else looks good. One chain failing could be an oil jet or a to-tight tensioner, but both chains, on opposite sides of the engine, seems odd.

In any case I replaced both chains, guides and tensioners just to be sure.
 
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