how can you talk about cars and it NOT be political?
California's at it again?
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Good thing I don't have any new-fangled rotors on my cars.
Disc brakes are just a flash in the pan.
Originally Posted By: oldmaninsc
Originally Posted By: JeremyInMT
wow, you totally missed my point, possibly due to lack of quality of my post. I was saying that if I live in the freezing cold, I can deal with that by going inside. What's to shelter you from all the insane laws in California?
No actually I did get your point. I was being a little bit of a smart *** Did you notice the smiley face and the two "cracksmeup" icon?
That and maybe I missed taking my Geritol today! LOL!
Seriously while Ca. gets the notoriety for all the insane laws there are other states with equally crazy laws. Off the top of my head - Oregon comes to mind. They are famous (or maybe I should say infamous) for their no self service at gas stations. I got yelled at one time and threatened with a citation or arrest for taking the hose out of the tank when the "attendant" was too "busy" and was screwing around. (Like the rich girl in the new Mercedes was going to give an average looking high school kid working at a gas station her phone number).
Plus as someone else pointed out, we don't even know for sure that this is a law. At the risk of sounding "political" a government official would never lie to us - would they?
Those smileys will get ya everytime
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Anyways, this is all [censored]. The guy was digging through the trash looking for [censored] to grab, and or casing the place. The EPA inspector line was simply to pacify the shop owner...because every independent shop owner/manager on the planet is straight out terrified of anything to do with environmental inspections, as its the fastest way to get fined/shutdown, and lots of these rinky shops have multiple violations.
Dude in the trash was a bum looking for recyclables most likely, he just happend to stumble upon a surefire way to get past a suspicious shop employee...tell them your from the EPA lol.
Originally Posted By: JeremyInMT
wow, you totally missed my point, possibly due to lack of quality of my post. I was saying that if I live in the freezing cold, I can deal with that by going inside. What's to shelter you from all the insane laws in California?
No actually I did get your point. I was being a little bit of a smart *** Did you notice the smiley face and the two "cracksmeup" icon?
Seriously while Ca. gets the notoriety for all the insane laws there are other states with equally crazy laws. Off the top of my head - Oregon comes to mind. They are famous (or maybe I should say infamous) for their no self service at gas stations. I got yelled at one time and threatened with a citation or arrest for taking the hose out of the tank when the "attendant" was too "busy" and was screwing around. (Like the rich girl in the new Mercedes was going to give an average looking high school kid working at a gas station her phone number).
Plus as someone else pointed out, we don't even know for sure that this is a law. At the risk of sounding "political" a government official would never lie to us - would they?
Those smileys will get ya everytime
.Anyways, this is all [censored]. The guy was digging through the trash looking for [censored] to grab, and or casing the place. The EPA inspector line was simply to pacify the shop owner...because every independent shop owner/manager on the planet is straight out terrified of anything to do with environmental inspections, as its the fastest way to get fined/shutdown, and lots of these rinky shops have multiple violations.
Dude in the trash was a bum looking for recyclables most likely, he just happend to stumble upon a surefire way to get past a suspicious shop employee...tell them your from the EPA lol.
I'm generally very skeptical of stories like this. Show me some evidence other than "some guy said..." then we can talk. Most of the time this stuff is bogus and meant only to incite uninformed political rhetoric.
One of the good things about working at Sears is they always taught us to demand ID whenever one of those "inspectors" came in and to not let them do anything until management was present. Its amazing what people claim to be in order to case a joint for later theft.
This is so dumb. Too many times I replace rotors without turning them, because the factory rotors are so inadequate that they will quickly warp after the brake job.
What sucks with VW is that the rotors are a one time use. They get changed when the pads wear out. I did pick up a set of slotted rotors wear the slot acts like a wear indicator.
Originally Posted By: ARB1977
What sucks with VW is that the rotors are a one time use. They get changed when the pads wear out. I did pick up a set of slotted rotors wear the slot acts like a wear indicator.
Sounds very convenient to me.
What sucks with VW is that the rotors are a one time use. They get changed when the pads wear out. I did pick up a set of slotted rotors wear the slot acts like a wear indicator.
Sounds very convenient to me.
Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1
Sounds very convenient to me.
For the new rotors big time.
Sounds very convenient to me.
For the new rotors big time.
Originally Posted By: EricF
A shop owner came in a bit ago.. and we started talking about the state and their ability to think up of zany things to torment the automotive industry.
He said a few days ago a guy from the EPA came and checked his metal recycle bin. He told him that there's a new law in effect that prohibits the replacement of a rotor if it isn't at minimum thickness.
Nobody's heard of this either..
The reasoning is to save resources!
How about I cut that guy's rotors to .001" above minimum and let him drive around!
OMG,what next!
A shop owner came in a bit ago.. and we started talking about the state and their ability to think up of zany things to torment the automotive industry.
He said a few days ago a guy from the EPA came and checked his metal recycle bin. He told him that there's a new law in effect that prohibits the replacement of a rotor if it isn't at minimum thickness.
Nobody's heard of this either..
The reasoning is to save resources!
How about I cut that guy's rotors to .001" above minimum and let him drive around!
Originally Posted By: kb01
After reading stories like this, I'm surprised that it's not more common for criminals to operate in the open just by carrying a metal clipboard, wearing a tucked in shirt, and claiming to be from the EPA/power company/gas company/etc.
And a reflective vest. Social conditioning.
After reading stories like this, I'm surprised that it's not more common for criminals to operate in the open just by carrying a metal clipboard, wearing a tucked in shirt, and claiming to be from the EPA/power company/gas company/etc.
And a reflective vest. Social conditioning.
Originally Posted By: eljefino
Originally Posted By: kb01
After reading stories like this, I'm surprised that it's not more common for criminals to operate in the open just by carrying a metal clipboard, wearing a tucked in shirt, and claiming to be from the EPA/power company/gas company/etc.
And a reflective vest. Social conditioning.
Most crimes and criminals are spur of the moment and/or disorganized. They account for most violent crime (robbery, assault, homicide) which are largely "crimes of passion," done on a whim, or to feed the need for a fix. Same is true of property crime but they are less revenge/anger/hatred motivated, and more of the opportunity/whim/spur of the moment type.
A few of the more notorious criminals would pose as something they were not to gain entrance to a residence or a person's trust. Ted Bundy often made use of elaborate ruses involving non-existent injuries/handicaps, and in at least one other case posed as a police officer. The Boston Strangler often posed as a gas man or building maintenance man to gain entrance.
Social proofing is the actual term used to describe the psychological element that these tactics prey on. We subconsciously assume certain things as fact if the other elements are present that match our subconscious expectations: if someone is well dressed, carrying a briefcase and is well groomed, and behaves in a confident and assertive manner, we assume they are a professional and automatically think lawyer, businessman, etc.
If they then introduce themselves as an attorney, we assume it to be so because they've already passed our subconscious social proofing, and are merely then confirming our preconception we formed based on the social proofing filter.
The best scam artists are naturals and masters of this, and readily and easily transition from one identity to another, with nobody even thinking to question that they could be anything other than what they say they are.
-Spyder
Originally Posted By: kb01
After reading stories like this, I'm surprised that it's not more common for criminals to operate in the open just by carrying a metal clipboard, wearing a tucked in shirt, and claiming to be from the EPA/power company/gas company/etc.
And a reflective vest. Social conditioning.
Most crimes and criminals are spur of the moment and/or disorganized. They account for most violent crime (robbery, assault, homicide) which are largely "crimes of passion," done on a whim, or to feed the need for a fix. Same is true of property crime but they are less revenge/anger/hatred motivated, and more of the opportunity/whim/spur of the moment type.
A few of the more notorious criminals would pose as something they were not to gain entrance to a residence or a person's trust. Ted Bundy often made use of elaborate ruses involving non-existent injuries/handicaps, and in at least one other case posed as a police officer. The Boston Strangler often posed as a gas man or building maintenance man to gain entrance.
Social proofing is the actual term used to describe the psychological element that these tactics prey on. We subconsciously assume certain things as fact if the other elements are present that match our subconscious expectations: if someone is well dressed, carrying a briefcase and is well groomed, and behaves in a confident and assertive manner, we assume they are a professional and automatically think lawyer, businessman, etc.
If they then introduce themselves as an attorney, we assume it to be so because they've already passed our subconscious social proofing, and are merely then confirming our preconception we formed based on the social proofing filter.
The best scam artists are naturals and masters of this, and readily and easily transition from one identity to another, with nobody even thinking to question that they could be anything other than what they say they are.
-Spyder
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A couple of things seem fishy to me:
Usually these types of rules are enforced by the Calif. Bureau of Automotive Repair (BAR) when they are automotive related.
Calif. EPA refers to themselves as Cal/EPA, not just EPA.
Cal/EPA is an umbrella for 5 agencies. "Rotor disposal" would fall under either "Office of Environmental Health Hazard Assessment" (OEHHA) or "Department of Toxic Substances" and an inspector would identify themselves with as being from their particular agency, not a generic "EPA".
Usually these types of rules are enforced by the Calif. Bureau of Automotive Repair (BAR) when they are automotive related.
Calif. EPA refers to themselves as Cal/EPA, not just EPA.
Cal/EPA is an umbrella for 5 agencies. "Rotor disposal" would fall under either "Office of Environmental Health Hazard Assessment" (OEHHA) or "Department of Toxic Substances" and an inspector would identify themselves with as being from their particular agency, not a generic "EPA".
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