Honestly.. i dont like it. It looks like the Honda Accord "Sportwagon" if not exactly then generally to me, with its high back., and fuel economy looks like it would be horrible. btw, the Accord Sportwagon is "Unloved" IIRC.
Cadillac ATS
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Here is a good overview of the ATS http://www.motortrend.com/auto_shows/detroit/2012/1112_2012_detroit_2013_cadillac_ats_first_look/. It seems like the perfect car. Do want
. If only the base model started at under $25k. It'll probably be closer to $30k but cheaper than the dinky BMW 1-series let alone the 3-series it is comparable to or better.
I hope they sell tons of them and eventually there'll be plenty available on the used car market.
I hope they sell tons of them and eventually there'll be plenty available on the used car market.
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Here is a good overview of the ATS http://www.motortrend.com/auto_shows/detroit/2012/1112_2012_detroit_2013_cadillac_ats_first_look/.
So, it looks like manual trans will only be available on the turbo model. If they want to compete with smaller BMWs, they should make the manual trans available with all engines. Then again, sales of manual trans in the US are dwindling, so maybe it's not that big of a deal...
Here is a good overview of the ATS http://www.motortrend.com/auto_shows/detroit/2012/1112_2012_detroit_2013_cadillac_ats_first_look/.
So, it looks like manual trans will only be available on the turbo model. If they want to compete with smaller BMWs, they should make the manual trans available with all engines. Then again, sales of manual trans in the US are dwindling, so maybe it's not that big of a deal...
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
So, it looks like manual trans will only be available on the turbo model. If they want to compete with smaller BMWs, they should make the manual trans available with all engines. Then again, sales of manual trans in the US are dwindling, so maybe it's not that big of a deal...
But GM says they are going to put the ATS up against the big guns from BMW and Audi, lacking manual transmissions in Europe across the board is not a good thing since most folks in Europe buy manual overwhelmingly, in most countries it is over 90% manual purchases.
So, it looks like manual trans will only be available on the turbo model. If they want to compete with smaller BMWs, they should make the manual trans available with all engines. Then again, sales of manual trans in the US are dwindling, so maybe it's not that big of a deal...
But GM says they are going to put the ATS up against the big guns from BMW and Audi, lacking manual transmissions in Europe across the board is not a good thing since most folks in Europe buy manual overwhelmingly, in most countries it is over 90% manual purchases.
Originally Posted By: 91344George
But GM says they are going to put the ATS up against the big guns from BMW and Audi, lacking manual transmissions in Europe across the board is not a good thing since most folks in Europe buy manual overwhelmingly, in most countries it is over 90% manual purchases.
Agreed. Using ATS to compete against BMW in the US is one thing. Using ATS to compete against BMW in Europe is a whole different ball game. I did not realize they were planning to do the latter. But if so, in addition to manual trans, they will also have to stick a diesel engine in it.
But GM says they are going to put the ATS up against the big guns from BMW and Audi, lacking manual transmissions in Europe across the board is not a good thing since most folks in Europe buy manual overwhelmingly, in most countries it is over 90% manual purchases.
Agreed. Using ATS to compete against BMW in the US is one thing. Using ATS to compete against BMW in Europe is a whole different ball game. I did not realize they were planning to do the latter. But if so, in addition to manual trans, they will also have to stick a diesel engine in it.
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: 91344George
But GM says they are going to put the ATS up against the big guns from BMW and Audi, lacking manual transmissions in Europe across the board is not a good thing since most folks in Europe buy manual overwhelmingly, in most countries it is over 90% manual purchases.
Agreed. Using ATS to compete against BMW in the US is one thing. Using ATS to compete against BMW in Europe is a whole different ball game. I did not realize they were planning to do the latter. But if so, in addition to manual trans, they will also have to stick a diesel engine in it.
Which they are planning on doing.
Originally Posted By: 91344George
But GM says they are going to put the ATS up against the big guns from BMW and Audi, lacking manual transmissions in Europe across the board is not a good thing since most folks in Europe buy manual overwhelmingly, in most countries it is over 90% manual purchases.
Agreed. Using ATS to compete against BMW in the US is one thing. Using ATS to compete against BMW in Europe is a whole different ball game. I did not realize they were planning to do the latter. But if so, in addition to manual trans, they will also have to stick a diesel engine in it.
Which they are planning on doing.
I heard diesel and manual for the ATS. Maybe not here in the States where we can't be bothered to shift our own and think that diesel is used for trucks only.
I think the argument is becoming now if Audi and BMW want to compete against Cadillac they're going to have to lower their prices some and maybe improve their reliability/repair record/costs. Oh also start manufacturing them in the US
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Originally Posted By: sciphi
I heard diesel and manual for the ATS. Maybe not here in the States where we can't be bothered to shift our own and think that diesel is used for trucks only.
I dunno. If the cruze is going to get a diesel, I don't see why this wouldn't, to compete with the 335d and equivalent merc diesel.
I heard diesel and manual for the ATS. Maybe not here in the States where we can't be bothered to shift our own and think that diesel is used for trucks only.
I dunno. If the cruze is going to get a diesel, I don't see why this wouldn't, to compete with the 335d and equivalent merc diesel.
Nick, the Cruze diesel makes sense for the diesel-heads who can't stand a VW Jetta, or those who want superb highway MPG without going to a hybrid.
An ATS diesel on US shores would be a great PR move, and likely a sales bust like the 335d. I just don't see GM doing it. Then again, I didn't see the CTS-V wagon with a manual transmission either.
An ATS diesel on US shores would be a great PR move, and likely a sales bust like the 335d. I just don't see GM doing it. Then again, I didn't see the CTS-V wagon with a manual transmission either.
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Some of the anti-GM stuff posted on this site is ridiculous. This is a good example of how uninformed they typically are.
Not anti-GM, at least not this posting. I merely stated that this particular front quarter photo of the vehicle, with its roofline and other platform dependent features, looks to me like a Chevy Cruze with a different grill.
Some of the anti-GM stuff posted on this site is ridiculous. This is a good example of how uninformed they typically are.
Not anti-GM, at least not this posting. I merely stated that this particular front quarter photo of the vehicle, with its roofline and other platform dependent features, looks to me like a Chevy Cruze with a different grill.
I have to say, I'm pretty excited about this car. All of the press releases claim this car was 'built around' (whatever that means) the driving experience of the E46 3 series. As someone that currently drives an E46 330Ci, this car seems right up my alley.
I was half-heartedly looking around for used '07 CTS-Vs in my area, but never made the jump. Considering I'll definitely be in the market for a new car within 2 years, I should be ready for the second model year of the ATS.
Only thing I'm disappointed about is the 2.0L turbo with the manual gearbox. Would have preferred the 3.6L V6 instead. If I had a history of turbo-tuning cars I'm sure I could buy some goodies to get the power up, but I don't.
Unless something drastic changes or I lose my job, theres a real chance this is going to be my next car.
I was half-heartedly looking around for used '07 CTS-Vs in my area, but never made the jump. Considering I'll definitely be in the market for a new car within 2 years, I should be ready for the second model year of the ATS.
Only thing I'm disappointed about is the 2.0L turbo with the manual gearbox. Would have preferred the 3.6L V6 instead. If I had a history of turbo-tuning cars I'm sure I could buy some goodies to get the power up, but I don't.
Unless something drastic changes or I lose my job, theres a real chance this is going to be my next car.
Originally Posted By: ddombrowski
All of the press releases claim this car was 'built around' (whatever that means) the driving experience of the E46 3 series.
I'm still trying to figure out if that's a good thing or not. I mean, E46 is now 2 generations old. I know E46 drives well, but I'd expect F30 to drive even better. Is GM playing catch-up?
All of the press releases claim this car was 'built around' (whatever that means) the driving experience of the E46 3 series.
I'm still trying to figure out if that's a good thing or not. I mean, E46 is now 2 generations old. I know E46 drives well, but I'd expect F30 to drive even better. Is GM playing catch-up?
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: ddombrowski
All of the press releases claim this car was 'built around' (whatever that means) the driving experience of the E46 3 series.
I'm still trying to figure out if that's a good thing or not. I mean, E46 is now 2 generations old. I know E46 drives well, but I'd expect F30 to drive even better. Is GM playing catch-up?
You'd think so, but I'm not so sure. When I go to the track, its littered with E46s and E36s. Not so many E90s or (obviously) F30s. A few one series here and there.
Of course, not everyone that buys a new BMW is going to take it to the track, and people who do go to the track might want to beat on an older car rather than put $40k into the tire wall, but I still suspect the underlying reason is that the newer cars are softer, and not really 'drivers cars'. Of course, E36 people said the same thing about the E46 when it came out. The 'new' car is never as much of a 'drivers car' as the heap with 200k miles sitting in their driveway, right?
Originally Posted By: ddombrowski
All of the press releases claim this car was 'built around' (whatever that means) the driving experience of the E46 3 series.
I'm still trying to figure out if that's a good thing or not. I mean, E46 is now 2 generations old. I know E46 drives well, but I'd expect F30 to drive even better. Is GM playing catch-up?
You'd think so, but I'm not so sure. When I go to the track, its littered with E46s and E36s. Not so many E90s or (obviously) F30s. A few one series here and there.
Of course, not everyone that buys a new BMW is going to take it to the track, and people who do go to the track might want to beat on an older car rather than put $40k into the tire wall, but I still suspect the underlying reason is that the newer cars are softer, and not really 'drivers cars'. Of course, E36 people said the same thing about the E46 when it came out. The 'new' car is never as much of a 'drivers car' as the heap with 200k miles sitting in their driveway, right?
And speaking of a driver's car, again we come back to the question: why is the manual trans only planned for the 2.0-turbo engine on this ATS? Big part of the E46 fun driving experience is the manual trans, IMO.
Hopefully, there will be an ATS-V with a manual trans available at some point, if they can shoe-horn it under the hood.
Hopefully, there will be an ATS-V with a manual trans available at some point, if they can shoe-horn it under the hood.
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
And speaking of a driver's car, again we come back to the question: why is the manual trans only planned for the 2.0-turbo engine on this ATS? Big part of the E46 fun driving experience is the manual trans, IMO.
Hopefully, there will be an ATS-V with a manual trans available at some point, if they can shoe-horn it under the hood.
I really don't know. Possible that the 3.6 with a 6 speed would cannibalize future ATS-V sales? 318 HP with a manual gearbox, LSD, and a light frame would be no joke of a sports car. I could see people buying that instead of the V.
Either that, or they just don't think it will sell. It must be hard being the engineering team trying to design a manual transmission car for the 3% of the market that will buy it.
And speaking of a driver's car, again we come back to the question: why is the manual trans only planned for the 2.0-turbo engine on this ATS? Big part of the E46 fun driving experience is the manual trans, IMO.
Hopefully, there will be an ATS-V with a manual trans available at some point, if they can shoe-horn it under the hood.
I really don't know. Possible that the 3.6 with a 6 speed would cannibalize future ATS-V sales? 318 HP with a manual gearbox, LSD, and a light frame would be no joke of a sports car. I could see people buying that instead of the V.
Either that, or they just don't think it will sell. It must be hard being the engineering team trying to design a manual transmission car for the 3% of the market that will buy it.
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