Bulk filters at O'Reilley's
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It's a shame you're under such an implied (or for all I know specifically expressed) gag order, Pete.
Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
Originally Posted By: labman
A done end bypass and cardboard end caps? You would take a piece of junk like that over an Ecore?
Huh? That doesn't describe any NAPA ProSelect that I've ever cut open.
This thread is about the bulk filters at Oriely's
Originally Posted By: rastoma
But I asked again if he was sure they were Wix and he said yes and pointed to the address on the filter and said that's the same address on a Wix branded filter. Also when he scans the item # in the computer, the item description calls it a Wix filter too.. hmmm....
BUT, he then elaborated. He said they are not as good as Wix branded filters. They have less pleats in the media. And what he called the top cap inside the filter is cardboard instead of metal like on a Wix branded filter.
Originally Posted By: tenderloin
Pro Tec Filters appear to be Wix "value" line...used by mechanics and shops to save a few pennies.
Other "less expensive" features are the thin case material, the nitrile anti-drain back valve, and the dome end relief valve.
And SuperBusa, continuing to say ST uses cardboard end caps when everybody knows they are a polyester material only damages what little credibility you still have.
Originally Posted By: labman
A done end bypass and cardboard end caps? You would take a piece of junk like that over an Ecore?
Huh? That doesn't describe any NAPA ProSelect that I've ever cut open.
This thread is about the bulk filters at Oriely's
Originally Posted By: rastoma
But I asked again if he was sure they were Wix and he said yes and pointed to the address on the filter and said that's the same address on a Wix branded filter. Also when he scans the item # in the computer, the item description calls it a Wix filter too.. hmmm....
BUT, he then elaborated. He said they are not as good as Wix branded filters. They have less pleats in the media. And what he called the top cap inside the filter is cardboard instead of metal like on a Wix branded filter.
Originally Posted By: tenderloin
Pro Tec Filters appear to be Wix "value" line...used by mechanics and shops to save a few pennies.
Other "less expensive" features are the thin case material, the nitrile anti-drain back valve, and the dome end relief valve.
And SuperBusa, continuing to say ST uses cardboard end caps when everybody knows they are a polyester material only damages what little credibility you still have.
Originally Posted By: labman
Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
Originally Posted By: labman
A done end bypass and cardboard end caps? You would take a piece of junk like that over an Ecore?
Huh? That doesn't describe any NAPA ProSelect that I've ever cut open.
This thread is about the bulk filters at Oriely's
And what? The other person was talking about some other random filter. I have no idea what he was referring to.
My point was that these filters are constructed a lot like NAPA ProSelects. They very well may be the same, just with different markings.
Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
Originally Posted By: labman
A done end bypass and cardboard end caps? You would take a piece of junk like that over an Ecore?
Huh? That doesn't describe any NAPA ProSelect that I've ever cut open.
This thread is about the bulk filters at Oriely's
And what? The other person was talking about some other random filter. I have no idea what he was referring to.
My point was that these filters are constructed a lot like NAPA ProSelects. They very well may be the same, just with different markings.
Originally Posted By: labman
And SuperBusa, continuing to say ST uses cardboard end caps when everybody knows they are a polyester material only damages what little credibility you still have.
... damages my 'credibility' that I still have? - speak for yourself. Where did I 'continue' to say they had cardboard end caps? Keep the personal attacks out of the discussions.
Anyway, if it's real "cardboard" or "polyester material" or some other kind of NON METAL end caps ... that's my real point. Have you had some FRAM end cap material analyzed by a certified materials lab to verify it's 'real' cardboard?
I don't like non metal end caps, no matter if it's 'real' cardboard or some variant of 'felt' or other non-metal material. Get the point? It makes more sense then not liking 'metal-to-metal' bypass valves.
And SuperBusa, continuing to say ST uses cardboard end caps when everybody knows they are a polyester material only damages what little credibility you still have.
Anyway, if it's real "cardboard" or "polyester material" or some other kind of NON METAL end caps ... that's my real point. Have you had some FRAM end cap material analyzed by a certified materials lab to verify it's 'real' cardboard?
I don't like non metal end caps, no matter if it's 'real' cardboard or some variant of 'felt' or other non-metal material. Get the point? It makes more sense then not liking 'metal-to-metal' bypass valves.
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..and if these were sitting inside a spin-on can ..they would be junk?
http://www.mann-hummel.com/liquidfilters/index.html?iKeys=17.10.221.0.0
Originally Posted By: labman
Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
Originally Posted By: labman
A done end bypass and cardboard end caps? You would take a piece of junk like that over an Ecore?
Huh? That doesn't describe any NAPA ProSelect that I've ever cut open.
This thread is about the bulk filters at Oriely's
The bulk filters at O'Reillys are ProTec and have metal end caps.
Originally Posted By: mrsilv04
Originally Posted By: labman
A done end bypass and cardboard end caps? You would take a piece of junk like that over an Ecore?
Huh? That doesn't describe any NAPA ProSelect that I've ever cut open.
This thread is about the bulk filters at Oriely's
The bulk filters at O'Reillys are ProTec and have metal end caps.
The O-Riley rep came by our shop today. He said that they are getting ride of the Orange cans and going with Wix.
The ProTec looks verrry similar to the white Carquest filter I cut open this past summer. It was installed at a service station on daughter's Civic. It said, Affinia (don't remember if it said Wix also) on the outside, and it too had coil spring design. Anyway, the ProTec looks very much an Affinia/Wix product.
As for endcaps, fwiw, I prefer metal endcaps, to polyester/felt, and polyester/felt(Champ) to carboard(Fram). That's just my preference in terms of what I perceive as quality. So, for endcaps IMO, metal>polyester/felt>cardboard.
And unlike some here, don't get too uptight about bypass location, base/thread end may be preferable, but IMO, it doesn't make that great a difference.
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I just bought 4 filters from AA last night and two were $1.99 each and two were $2.49 each. Told the OR guy and he said yeah, you can buy their PowerFlo's individually but as I found out some are higher than others. OR's bulk filters are all one price. If they carry it in bulk it's $1.67 each no matter what number.
I've never used these filters, but I would much rather use these than some of the other economy filters that are currently being outsourced to China. Looking through a shop owner's point of view, I can see him using these to save a few pennies.
FYI, the PowerFlo's from AAP being referred to in the first post are made in the USA by Purolator.
As for endcaps, fwiw, I prefer metal endcaps, to polyester/felt, and polyester/felt(Champ) to carboard(Fram). That's just my preference in terms of what I perceive as quality. So, for endcaps IMO, metal>polyester/felt>cardboard.
And unlike some here, don't get too uptight about bypass location, base/thread end may be preferable, but IMO, it doesn't make that great a difference.
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I just bought 4 filters from AA last night and two were $1.99 each and two were $2.49 each. Told the OR guy and he said yeah, you can buy their PowerFlo's individually but as I found out some are higher than others. OR's bulk filters are all one price. If they carry it in bulk it's $1.67 each no matter what number.
I've never used these filters, but I would much rather use these than some of the other economy filters that are currently being outsourced to China. Looking through a shop owner's point of view, I can see him using these to save a few pennies.
FYI, the PowerFlo's from AAP being referred to in the first post are made in the USA by Purolator.
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
..and if these were sitting inside a spin-on can ..they would be junk?
The OEM Toyoto Denso filters use a similar design of the element ... that is, no "end cap" per se, but a ring that seals the ends at the center tube, and then each pleat is individually glued at the seams.
It may work fine and all, and I'm not using the term 'junk' ... BUT, it's something that I'm not 'sold' on 100%. When the two Denso filters I have are used up, I'm probably going to start using the PureONE or Bosch Premium on my Tacoma. I'm more 'confident' in filters that have metal end caps and the media is firmly potted into the end caps to ensure a tight seal. That's my personal preference.
..and if these were sitting inside a spin-on can ..they would be junk?
The OEM Toyoto Denso filters use a similar design of the element ... that is, no "end cap" per se, but a ring that seals the ends at the center tube, and then each pleat is individually glued at the seams.
It may work fine and all, and I'm not using the term 'junk' ... BUT, it's something that I'm not 'sold' on 100%. When the two Denso filters I have are used up, I'm probably going to start using the PureONE or Bosch Premium on my Tacoma. I'm more 'confident' in filters that have metal end caps and the media is firmly potted into the end caps to ensure a tight seal. That's my personal preference.
Originally Posted By: SuperBusa
I'm probably going to start using the PureONE or Bosch Premium on my Tacoma. I'm more 'confident' in filters that have metal end caps and the media is firmly potted into the end caps to ensure a tight seal. That's my personal preference.
Ya. I was using Densos for awhile on my Tacoma too, and decided I can really do better. Densos are OK, but I switched to a K&N for now and have some TRD PTR43-00080 filters on order. They are rated at 98% @ 20 microns.
I looked on Rock Auto and they aren't carrying these ProTec anymore. At least I couln't get anything to come up except for one closeout part number.
I'm probably going to start using the PureONE or Bosch Premium on my Tacoma. I'm more 'confident' in filters that have metal end caps and the media is firmly potted into the end caps to ensure a tight seal. That's my personal preference.
Ya. I was using Densos for awhile on my Tacoma too, and decided I can really do better. Densos are OK, but I switched to a K&N for now and have some TRD PTR43-00080 filters on order. They are rated at 98% @ 20 microns.
I looked on Rock Auto and they aren't carrying these ProTec anymore. At least I couln't get anything to come up except for one closeout part number.
Originally Posted By: river_rat
Originally Posted By: SuperBusa
I'm probably going to start using the PureONE or Bosch Premium on my Tacoma. I'm more 'confident' in filters that have metal end caps and the media is firmly potted into the end caps to ensure a tight seal. That's my personal preference.
Ya. I was using Densos for awhile on my Tacoma too, and decided I can really do better. Densos are OK, but I switched to a K&N for now and have some TRD PTR43-00080 filters on order. They are rated at 98% @ 20 microns.
I'm sure the Denso do fine, otherwise Toyota wouldn't use them - but I think the PureONE would do better; plan getting a 2-pack next time I order stuff from Amazon. I'm not familiar with the TRD filters ... who makes them? Decent filtering efficiency. Probably not cheap though.
Originally Posted By: SuperBusa
I'm probably going to start using the PureONE or Bosch Premium on my Tacoma. I'm more 'confident' in filters that have metal end caps and the media is firmly potted into the end caps to ensure a tight seal. That's my personal preference.
Ya. I was using Densos for awhile on my Tacoma too, and decided I can really do better. Densos are OK, but I switched to a K&N for now and have some TRD PTR43-00080 filters on order. They are rated at 98% @ 20 microns.
I'm sure the Denso do fine, otherwise Toyota wouldn't use them - but I think the PureONE would do better; plan getting a 2-pack next time I order stuff from Amazon. I'm not familiar with the TRD filters ... who makes them? Decent filtering efficiency. Probably not cheap though.
Interesting thing is that the Leaky Wix filters River Rat reported have steel end caps.
Originally Posted By: labman
Interesting thing is that the Leaky Wix filters River Rat reported have steel end caps.
QA manufacturing issue, not a design issue -- all filters (or anything made by man or machine) have the potential for manufacturing QA issues.
Interesting thing is that the Leaky Wix filters River Rat reported have steel end caps.
QA manufacturing issue, not a design issue -- all filters (or anything made by man or machine) have the potential for manufacturing QA issues.
guess sales of fram filters are down that must be why they lowered the prices...
I don't use fram so i would not know
I don't use fram so i would not know
Originally Posted By: SuperBusa
I'm sure the Denso do fine, otherwise Toyota wouldn't use them - but I think the PureONE would do better; plan getting a 2-pack next time I order stuff from Amazon. I'm not familiar with the TRD filters ... who makes them? Decent filtering efficiency. Probably not cheap though.
The Densos don't seem to filter all that fine by comparison. They flow good, and probably as they get plugged up in use they get better...but the P1 and other premiums walk all over them on cleaning the oil, in my opinion/observations.
TRD = Toyota Racing Development.
They make different ones. Some are red and come from Japan, some are white with red lettering come from USA, like the ones I ordered.
I believe the red ones are set up for true racing with flow in a race engine being priority, and the efficiency is low.
The PTR43-00080 is (one of the) the 98% efficiency @ 20 microns full synthetic media version(s) $8.91 each.
According to toyotapartspeople.com,
"Replaces Toyota Part Numbers: 08922-02001, 08922-02002, 15600-25010, 15600-41010, 15601-44011, 90915-02004, 90915-03002, 90915-03005, 90915-20001, 90915-20002, 90915-20003, 90915-20004, 90915-YZZB5, 90915-YZZB9, 90915-YZZD1, 90915-YZZD3, 90915-YZZG1"
Your dealer parts counter can order them in from their warehouse in a day or two if not in stock.
Mine shipped UPS from a Toyota dealer in Puyalup, WA.
I'm sure the Denso do fine, otherwise Toyota wouldn't use them - but I think the PureONE would do better; plan getting a 2-pack next time I order stuff from Amazon. I'm not familiar with the TRD filters ... who makes them? Decent filtering efficiency. Probably not cheap though.
The Densos don't seem to filter all that fine by comparison. They flow good, and probably as they get plugged up in use they get better...but the P1 and other premiums walk all over them on cleaning the oil, in my opinion/observations.
TRD = Toyota Racing Development.
They make different ones. Some are red and come from Japan, some are white with red lettering come from USA, like the ones I ordered.
I believe the red ones are set up for true racing with flow in a race engine being priority, and the efficiency is low.
The PTR43-00080 is (one of the) the 98% efficiency @ 20 microns full synthetic media version(s) $8.91 each.
According to toyotapartspeople.com,
"Replaces Toyota Part Numbers: 08922-02001, 08922-02002, 15600-25010, 15600-41010, 15601-44011, 90915-02004, 90915-03002, 90915-03005, 90915-20001, 90915-20002, 90915-20003, 90915-20004, 90915-YZZB5, 90915-YZZB9, 90915-YZZD1, 90915-YZZD3, 90915-YZZG1"
Your dealer parts counter can order them in from their warehouse in a day or two if not in stock.
Mine shipped UPS from a Toyota dealer in Puyalup, WA.
Does this help answer some confusion?
http://www.amazon.com/Pro-Tec-Filters-104-Filter/dp/B000CJSYMK
http://www.wixconnect.com/assets/bulletin.wix.protec.combo.valve.final.pdf
They also make parts master from the same line with the combo valve.
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* Besides it top of the line product, Wix offers DIY's a cost effective line to save money, while keeping your filters fresh.
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http://www.amazon.com/Pro-Tec-Filters-104-Filter/dp/B000CJSYMK
http://www.wixconnect.com/assets/bulletin.wix.protec.combo.valve.final.pdf
They also make parts master from the same line with the combo valve.
Pro Tec Filters 104 Oil Filter
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List Price: $3.89
Price: $2.10
You Save: $1.79 (46%)
In stock.
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Ships from and sold by Hires Automotive.
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This Price is for a Pack of 1.
(Offer details included in Hires Automotive shipment)
Product Features
* Pro-Tech is the Value Line manufactured by Wix.
* Besides it top of the line product, Wix offers DIY's a cost effective line to save money, while keeping your filters fresh.
* Picture does not represent specific part #.
Originally Posted By: Pete C.
If it did not say Wix on the filter itself, with a Wix PN, it is not a filter made by Wix. 32 years and I have yet to see an unmarked Wix brand filter leave this plant.
Does that mean the NAPA Golds are not a WIX ... they DO NOT have a WIX part number on them, and they DO NOT say WIX on them.
If it did not say Wix on the filter itself, with a Wix PN, it is not a filter made by Wix. 32 years and I have yet to see an unmarked Wix brand filter leave this plant.
Does that mean the NAPA Golds are not a WIX ... they DO NOT have a WIX part number on them, and they DO NOT say WIX on them.
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