Bring back the military draft in the USA

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Originally posted by Auto-Union:
..........My observation is that other countries have compusory service and it seems to have the effect of galvanizing the citizens together, quite the opposite is the case here in the USA, but that's political...........

Most countries that have compulsory service also do not forcefully engage in conflicts which would endanger them. Thats why the US military has to, many times, provide the spearhead force in alot of UN resolutions/engagements.

I am not for a draft of any kind. But I do see the socialogical benefit of military service.

But are we in trouble maintaining our military, hence the need for a draft at this time? If so, then thats the first I have heard of it. I do not believe so, but I can always stand corrected.
 
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Originally posted by Pablo:
Someone just laid a political turd. Stinks in here. There was no need to let the diahrea fly.

Who me?
By insinuating that the average high school grad can't be trusted with a gov't job.
Or by "federal service" did he mean the USPS, Coast Guard, or armed forces?

Sorry, people aren't going tostand for manditory service like the Swiss have.

And do i need to remind you guys that we live in a representation republic, not a democracy?
What's the proper military for an R/R?
 
And many on this board complain about paying too much in taxes. Enlarging the military seems like a good waste of taxpayer resource.

The military is a sinkhole for your tax dollar in the proper size. They are not the most efficient entity on spending out there.
 
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Originally posted by Pablo:
Someone just laid a political turd. Stinks in here. There was no need to let the diahrea fly.
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Who me?
By insinuating that the average high school grad can't be trusted with a gov't job.
Or by "federal service" did he mean the USPS, Coast Guard, or armed forces?

Sorry, people aren't going tostand for manditory service like the Swiss have.

And do i need to remind you guys that we live in a representation republic, not a democracy?
What's the proper military for an R/R?

As a matter of fact, yes you. But not that viewpoint. Check your 9:25AM post. The political link really is not relevant and violates the R/S/P rules.
 
Just keep raising the pay until there are enough entrants to meet actual requirements. Problem solved!

This is the most effective means of staffing a military in a capitalist society, instead of drafts.

The rest of society pays for it through inflation, but at least, if you pay soldiers properly, and recruit them voluntarily, you don't suffer all of the problems associated with the draft and the internal problems associated with involuntary service.
 
IMPO (which I believe carries some weight in this issue)........no draft. After 10 years in here, I have enough problems with people who made their own decision to enlist, let alone bring in those who would have been forced to join against their will.

If we had to deploy 100k troops right now to somewhere, no problem. They're there but the Pentagon is like a stingy rich SOB. They have to hate to see numbers go anywhere below what SOP states.

Pentagon uses 85% of the oil imported into the US. Can't find the link but just read that somewhere the other day. Whether it's true or not, I can't verify.

Pitzel has made the best statement thus far in that line of thinking.

*RANT ON*While everyone is entitled to their opinion, good lord I hate reading the uneducated statements made about topics such as this one. That's all I've got to say about that.*RANT OFF*
 
Economic perspective, I believe, combined with social commentary;

Number of working poor growing. Plenty of underclass cannon fodder.

The "better classes" will be able to hire their dirty work done.

Pay more, get more bodies. THe pool of desparate folks is growing. Let them bleed. You are safe, behind the shield of hired mercenaries.

I was one of the hired ones. With time and education and what I believe is enlightenment, I see the USA as in the throes of class warfare, but akin to the Cold War without open hostilities...... yet.

Look at history.

You priveleged ones, ye of the better classes, the underclass will be the tough ones, the trained ones....

If I am not to old you may see me with my bretheren when we decide to do what a growing number of the "undesirables" believe should be done.

Please view my gripes/comments as economic and social commentary combined with prognostication of a general kind albeit based upon decades of studying history.
 
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Originally posted by JParrott:
IMPO (which I believe carries some weight in this issue)........no draft. After 10 years in here, I have enough problems with people who made their own decision to enlist, let alone bring in those who would have been forced to join against their will.


Your point is valid, it would be burden on the military but would be good for the country.

The citizens of a free country need to have personal stake in their military.
 
I can only speak from a personal level. I turned 18 in 1971. Registered for the draft. By that time the only unknown was who was going to be in the last body bag back home from VN. Light at the end of the tunnel, etc. I came of age with VN as a nightly constant on the news. Ontario seemed a bit cold for this Louisiana boy but it was under consideration. Student deferrments had ended. The birthdate lottery rendered me #257, out of harms way, and always wondering if I could have ever learned to love hockey. I ALWAYS enjoy my birthday for that reason alone. Thanks, Mom. My brother was something like #78 but had the student deferrment although he had to talk an accounting prof out of a D to keep out of basic training. From the domino theory to worldwide terrorism the more things change... I say no to the draft. Want to offer youth a positive role? Bring back the CCC for domestic projects. Maybe they could build the border wall?
 
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so I'd go
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the military might want the bright ones but they like the dumb, "no question asking" kind too.
you guys are probably pro-bush, huh? www.americanwatchdog.org


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_man's_burden
The White Man's Burden
By Rudyard Kipling

Take up the White Man's burden--
Send forth the best ye breed--
Go, bind your sons to exile
To serve your captives' need;
To wait, in heavy harness,
On fluttered folk and wild--
Your new-caught sullen peoples,
Half devil and half child.

Take up the White Man's burden--
In patience to abide,
To veil the threat of terror
And check the show of pride;
By open speech and simple,
An hundred times made plain,
To seek another's profit
And work another's gain.

Take up the White Man's burden--
The savage wars of peace--
Fill full the mouth of Famine,
And bid the sickness cease;
And when your goal is nearest
(The end for others sought)
Watch sloth and heathen folly
Bring all your hope to nought.

Take up the White Man's burden--
No iron rule of kings,
But toil of serf and sweeper--
The tale of common things.
The ports ye shall not enter,
The roads ye shall not tread,
Go, make them with your living
And mark them with your dead.

Take up the White Man's burden,
And reap his old reward--
The blame of those ye better
The hate of those ye guard--
The cry of hosts ye humour
(Ah, slowly!) toward the light:--
"Why brought ye us from bondage,
Our loved Egyptian night?"

Take up the White Man's burden--
Ye dare not stoop to less--
Nor call too loud on Freedom
To cloak your weariness.
By all ye will or whisper,
By all ye leave or do,
The silent sullen peoples
Shall weigh your *** and you.

Take up the White Man's burden!
Have done with childish days--
The lightly-proffered laurel,
The easy ungrudged praise:
Comes now, to search your manhood
Through all the thankless years,
Cold, edged with dear-bought wisdom,
The judgment of your peers.
 
I was #220 and prepared (I thought) to go do my duty for my country...may The Lord rest the souls that didn't make it back.
 
Don't make it a draft. Just mandatory 2 years of federal service. Make it right behind high school. It would take a decade to build the structure to fit our entire population (girls too) into some form of training ...but it puts every citizen in a contribution role toward the benefit of the nation that they live in.

Let the powdered wig crowd get in the trenches too. Heck, leave them there, if you can manage it.
 
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Originally posted by rusty 63 model:

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Originally posted by Auto-Union:
..........My observation is that other countries have compusory service and it seems to have the effect of galvanizing the citizens together, quite the opposite is the case here in the USA, but that's political...........

Most countries that have compulsory service also do not forcefully engage in conflicts which would endanger them. Thats why the US military has to, many times, provide the spearhead force in alot of UN resolutions/engagements.

I am not for a draft of any kind. But I do see the socialogical benefit of military service.

But are we in trouble maintaining our military, hence the need for a draft at this time? If so, then thats the first I have heard of it. I do not believe so, but I can always stand corrected.


If we quickly had to send 100,000 troops somewhere RIGHT NOW, where would we get them??? We'd have to take everyone out of rotation and call up more guard units. All the retired general talking heads say this but I suppose many think they are just left wing puppets.
 
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Originally posted by Gary Allan:
Don't make it a draft. Just mandatory 2 years of federal service. Make it right behind high school. It would take a decade to build the structure to fit our entire population (girls too) into some form of training ...but it puts every citizen in a contribution role toward the benefit of the nation that they live in.

Let the powdered wig crowd get in the trenches too. Heck, leave them there, if you can manage it.


perfect. 18-yr-old stoners, drunks, and loadies employed in civil service. and let's skip the whole college thing, who needs it anyhow.


You pro-draft guys might like Switzerland?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Switzerland#Discussion
 
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