Bridgestone RE970AS

[JHZR2]

Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: GC4lunch
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: GC4lunch
there is no rationale to support the choice of an all-season tire,

How about longer treadlife and greater comfort?

Yeah, right. When your car is lying on its side in a ditch by the road because it lost traction on wet pavement, you want the passers-by to comment, "But he still has an impressive amount of tread depth, doesn't he?"

LOL! You have a real knack for blowing things out of proportion.

I can do that, too. Why don't we all run slicks on sunny summer days? After all, once they're warmed up, they should provide even better dry traction than regular summer tires, right?

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assessment of the kind of person who desires an all-season tire: basically a cheapskate,

I wouldn't call someone who buys a tire like RE970 a cheapskate by any means. It is more capable than most street drivers require, IMO. YMMV


LOL, anyone who outdrives their tires in the wet because they thought they were some kind of speed racer on the public roads is an idiot and deserves nothing more than to be in a ditch.

Total blowing out of proportion!

 

[Colt45ws]

Yea, RE970s in my size is $209 a hit. Its $910 for 4 shipped and then I still need to pay mount & balance so all said and done they would be knocking on a grand. Not cheap in my book.

 

[GC4lunch]

Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
I can do that, too. Why don't we all run slicks on sunny summer days? After all, once they're warmed up, they should provide even better dry traction than regular summer tires, right?

If you drive only in the desert, a good case could be made for that. If you drive where trees have leaves on them, you might have to change your wheels and tires several times per day. That could getold really fast.

 

[GC4lunch]

Originally Posted By: JHZR2

LOL, anyone who outdrives their tires in the wet because they thought they were some kind of speed racer on the public roads is an idiot and deserves nothing more than to be in a ditch.

Total blowing out of proportion!

Erm ... no. The difference in emergency stopping distance at the speeds traveled by commuters on urban freeways -- we are not discussing "speed racers" here -- can be three or four car lengths. That can be the difference between stopping on pavement or being stopped by running into a vehicle in front, or going off the road because you have swerved to avoid hitting that vehicle that you would hit otherwise.

Have you ever had a truck go in front of you go squirrely and end up sidewise at 50 mph on the freeway? I have been in that situation several times. Ever have someone in a side street decide to pull out without stopping at the stop sign onto the arterial you are driving on at 40 mph? The difference in stopping distance on wet pavement even at School Zone speeds can easily be ten feet. What if a small child is in that last ten feet?

 

[S65AMG]

Originally Posted By: Colt45ws
Im thinking of going with these to replace mty Hankook Ventus V12 Evo on my Vic. They will need replacement here in the next couple of months and Im having a problem with the temperature capability of summer only tires as I work at night and only in the past week have I been going home in temperatures that are 'correct' for summer tires; Though, I have had them on for almost a month now. I was starting to have the opposite problem of it being too warm for winter tires while driving to work, and I was also anxious to play.
Im going to keep my Winter tires so snow performance is not a factor, but running A/S on my summer wheels will allow extended temperature range operation.

Opinions/Other suggestions?


Just replaced the V12's with RE970AS on my AMG.

No contest.

 

[S65AMG]

Originally Posted By: GC4lunch
Originally Posted By: JHZR2

LOL, anyone who outdrives their tires in the wet because they thought they were some kind of speed racer on the public roads is an idiot and deserves nothing more than to be in a ditch.

Total blowing out of proportion!

Erm ... no. The difference in emergency stopping distance at the speeds traveled by commuters on urban freeways -- we are not discussing "speed racers" here -- can be three or four car lengths. That can be the difference between stopping on pavement or being stopped by running into a vehicle in front, or going off the road because you have swerved to avoid hitting that vehicle that you would hit otherwise.

Have you ever had a truck go in front of you go squirrely and end up sidewise at 50 mph on the freeway? I have been in that situation several times. Ever have someone in a side street decide to pull out without stopping at the stop sign onto the arterial you are driving on at 40 mph? The difference in stopping distance on wet pavement even at School Zone speeds can easily be ten feet. What if a small child is in that last ten feet?


Looking at RE970AS test results on tire rack vs the most expensive summer tire in my size, the Continental ContiSportContact 3, the wet braking is better for the RE970AS by 5ft. The cornering g force for the RE970AS is higher in the wet.

In the dry, the RE970AS is 5 feet worse in braking and has the same g force.

You also may need to be careful about who is behind you if your tire performance is too good!

 

[Quattro Pete]

Originally Posted By: S63AMG
Just replaced the V12's with RE970AS on my AMG.

No contest.

No contest meaning... which one is better?

 

[S65AMG]

Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: S63AMG
Just replaced the V12's with RE970AS on my AMG.

No contest.

No contest meaning... which one is better?


RE970AS

I can't wait to get the fronts on as well as the rears.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: S63AMG
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: S63AMG
Just replaced the V12's with RE970AS on my AMG.

No contest.

No contest meaning... which one is better?


RE970AS

I can't wait to get the fronts on as well as the rears.


I'm surprised you went with an all season over a dedicated performance tire given the car and your location

 

[GC4lunch]

Originally Posted By: S63AMG
Looking at RE970AS test results on tire rack vs the most expensive summer tire in my size, the Continental ContiSportContact 3, the wet braking is better for the RE970AS by 5ft. The cornering g force for the RE970AS is higher in the wet.

In the dry, the RE970AS is 5 feet worse in braking and has the same g force.

You cannot make valid comparisons between thr reported results of different test days on Tire Rack. The weather and temperature conditions vary, the vehicles often vary (though Tire Rack likes to use BMW 3-series cars, the actual test vehicles get replaced), and -- most importantly -- the personnel conducting the tests vary. On those occasions where a single model of tire gets tested on more than one test day, the results sometimes are quite different from test to test.

 

[Colt45ws]

Originally Posted By: S63AMG
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: S63AMG
Just replaced the V12's with RE970AS on my AMG.

No contest.

No contest meaning... which one is better?


RE970AS

I can't wait to get the fronts on as well as the rears.


I think that about does it for me.

 

[rjundi]

Originally Posted By: GC4lunch
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: GC4lunch
there is no rationale to support the choice of an all-season tire,

How about longer treadlife and greater comfort?

Yeah, right. When your car is lying on its side in a ditch by the road because it lost traction on wet pavement, you want the passers-by to comment, "But he still has an impressive amount of tread depth, doesn't he?"

Tire manufacturers know how to add tread life and greater comfort, like pepperoni added to a take-out pizza, to any tire -- but those additions involve trade-offs against other desirable properties in a tire. The fact that all-season tires and long tread life happen to coincide in many models of tires simply reflects that manufacturers' assessment of the kind of person who desires an all-season tire: basically a cheapskate, who does not want to pay the price for winter tires that are significantly safer than all-season tires in snowy conditions plus the price for non-all-season tires that are significantly safer than all-season tires on wet roads. If the purchaser's buying decision is fundamentally built on "cheap," then long tread life is very high on his list of priorities, and he has volunteered that safety is well down his list of priorities.


It is amazing in New England how many drivers survive all driving conditions including heavy rain and snow/ice all on all-seasons with few if any car off the side of the road.

It is called driving skill.

If you crash with winter tires or the best summer tires due to a loss of traction the crash is going to be more severe. Why, you only were pushing it way past what an all-season tire offered and prudent driving for the given conditions.

 

[krzyss]

How much skill is needed in ice storm on all seasons?

Krzys