Blackstone Labs recommend:

[therion]

What can I do to my engine to reduce wear?

We recommend cutting back on excessive idling and short trips, as these driving conditions are harder on an engine. We have also seen very good results from pre-oilers, which are add-on electrical oil pumps that come on when the ignition does to build oil pressure before the engine starts. Much of the wear in your oil is caused at the start-up. Engines using a pre-oiler tend to run very low wear metals and can usually run the oil for longer use intervals.

Now they recommend the preoiler for the car, but Dave Mann, a lubrication specialist told me it is not necessary. Both are valid source, who is right!?!?!?

 

[needtoknow]

How long do you expect to keep this car? If you're going to turn it over in a few years you're only saving the engine for the next guy. You will not get any more trade-in for the car for these engine saving devices. If you do it, do it for youself, but watch out for the money spent and rewards returned.

 

[therion]

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Originally posted by needtoknow:
How long do you expect to keep this car? If you're going to turn it over in a few years you're only saving the engine for the next guy. You will not get any more trade-in for the car for these engine saving devices. If you do it, do it for youself, but watch out for the money spent and rewards returned.

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until i die, j/k. I will keep it until the whole chassis rusts through and wont be physically capable of driving. which = approx 400,000 miles

 

[Spector]

IMO your normal maintenance will get your vehicle to 200,000 miles. Beyond that, yea a preoil, and/or bypass will extend engine life, however, how are you going to extend the life of the rest of the components that will be falling apart around you from old age. Assuming that you are looking at 10 plus years here. Now, if you drive 30,000 miles a year, different story and then, will a preoiler help as you are on the highway most of the time.

 

[therion]

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Originally posted by Spector:
IMO your normal maintenance will get your vehicle to 200,000 miles. Beyond that, yea a preoil, and/or bypass will extend engine life, however, how are you going to extend the life of the rest of the components that will be falling apart around you from old age. Assuming that you are looking at 10 plus years here. Now, if you drive 30,000 miles a year, different story and then, will a preoiler help as you are on the highway most of the time.

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Yeah i know 200,000 could be possible with normal maintence. If it comes down to THAT, I can always take out the motor and tranny

Actually most of my driving is suburban/city so a pre-oiler would benefit me alot but ill have to save up $180 first and get the AutoEngineLube preoiler kit. I has a LIFETIME warrenty so it makes more sense to buy this and not have to worry about electronic pumps failing on you.

[ February 01, 2004, 12:03 PM: Message edited by: rugerman1 ]

 

[n8wvi]

If I wanted one of these, for $180 I'd spend some time tring to find a solenoid like that, make my own, and pocket $150.

Dave

 

[Kestas]

It's just too anal. I can't see this product save $180 worth of wear. I'd rather have that incremental wear in my engine. I'm only trying to keep things simple and everything in perspective.

 

[XS650]

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Originally posted by Kestas:
It's just too anal. I can't see this product save $180 worth of wear. I'd rather have that incremental wear in my engine. I'm only trying to keep things simple and everything in perspective.

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Ah yes, but your problem is now that you have read their story you will have a catastrophic lack of startup lubrication engine failure, that you wouldn't have had before.

I expect that my long string of success at running engines over 200,000 miles without internal work will also suddenly come to an end unless I install one.

 

[Terry]

Pre lube is fine and dandy and IMO cost vs. benefit comparable to bypass filtration..... Too expensive to justify cost in most PCMO situations.

Use a high quality motor oil/ FF filter and perodically clean the engine with Auto-RX.

Start-up wear is negligable with the polar compounds in the good oil. Clean surfaces will already have a good coating on them so there will be no metal to metal wear anyway.

There are applications where a pre oiler or accumulator is needed but not in a daily driver PCMO app.

BKLabs are sharp folks and they may see something that we can't since we don't have your trend analysis and you are relying on them to interpret the data for you.

Who's Dave Mann ?

[ January 30, 2004, 06:34 PM: Message edited by: Terry ]

 

[therion]

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Originally posted by Terry:
Pre lube is fine and dandy and IMO cost vs. benefit comparable to bypass filtration..... Too expensive to justify cost in most PCMO situations.

Use a high quality motor oil/ FF filter and perodically clean the engine with Auto-RX.

Start-up wear is negligable with the polar compounds in the good oil. Clean surfaces will already have a good coating on them so there will be no metal to metal wear anyway.

There are applications where a pre oiler or accumulator is needed but not in a daily driver PCMO app.

BKLabs are sharp folks and they may see something that we can't since we don't have your trend analysis and you are relying on them to interpret the data for you.

Who's Dave Mann ?

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The bearings still need pressurized oil from what i understand, and that doesnt happen until several revolutions of the crankshaft.

Master Auto Technician, Engineer, and member of ASE. He has written a book on lubrication and oils, worth a read if anyone wants to learn more. Although he is definately BIASED toward Amsoil and im sure they paid him something. He doesnt even mention Motor Guard or Frantz.

[ January 30, 2004, 07:33 PM: Message edited by: therion ]