BG products...I read the archives, question...

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My summation of what I read on MOA:

If you're using dino oil, it's good to use.

If you're running Mobil 1, it's a waste.

How's my summation? About right?

Anyone want to add any comments?

Thanks everyone!
 
From what I remember, BG's MOA (motor oil additive) is mostly a moly additive.

BG products in general are good products but they are also sort of borderline on being snake oil. MOA is a product that sort of fits a nitch that nearly doesn't exist. Today's oils don't really need an extra shot of moly. A bit more won't hurt though and it would tend to beef up the oil's additive package.

If you really think you need moly, then it would be a good additive for Mobil 1 which I understand has little or no moly.
 
Well this thread is a real conflict.
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I thought MOA was moly oil additive that used to have moly in it, but no longer does.

/shrug

I still wouldn't spend the money on anything they have.

The 44K was nice until they cheaped it out. Now it's a more expensive seafoam.
 
First off, I don't work for BG Products, but I am quite aware that BG MOA does not nor has it ever contained "moly".

Motor oil must have a specific additive package to comply with the API (American Petroleum Institute) standards, currently it is listed as "SL" level standards for oil intended for gasoline engines. The problem is that these are minimum standards and there has never been a process for retesting motor oil once its been approved by the API. Once they (the oil blender) have their API approval, its no secret that the oil companies have reduced their additive packages in an effort to reduce production costs.

BG MOA is a custom blend of the additives already in "all" motor oils, but it (MOA) not only brings any motor oil back up to the level to meet the API standards, it will put any oil it is used in up to levels that only the most premium of oils have ever achieved (particularly in the areas of anti-oxidants, detergency, and TBN rating). BG Products engineers do not recommend using BG MOA with Mobil1 synthetic because Mobil1 is one of the few motor oils that already has a sufficient additive package and the combination of the two will over boast the surface modifiers and in some isolated situations, a sudden increase in oil consumption can occur.

Somebody mentioned that BG has cheapen their 44K! Nothing could be further from the truth. I was recently in contact with the engineers at Chevron Oronite (the chemical division of Chevron, the same group that invented Techron), and it seems that about 2 years ago, the BG company and Chevron Oronite have signed a co-research & development agreement and the first developments, from the Oronite group, have been massive improvements in BG's 44K.

BG 44K is still a polyetheramine based product, but the latest blend improvements have resulted in a most extraordinary product (BG and Chevron Oronite have co-patents on the new 44K). The Oronite group has the responsibility (to their parent corporation) of testing fuel additives and fuel system cleaners. They flat told me that BG 44K is now so far advanced in its technology, there is nothing on the planet even remotely similar.

Ironically, just a few weeks ago, I got exactly the same statements from the engineers at General Motors on the subject of BG's 44K, particularly now with their latest enhancements.

I asked the GM guys if 44K was so good, why didn't they recommend it to their dealer network, but they explained that there was or is a peculiar problem. It seems that the BG Products Company is privately owned and BG Products has no marketing divison or group, they are nothing more than a large engineering lab with some manufacturering at their Kansas headquarters. BG products are sold exclusively through their authorized dealer network and it in is their contract with their dealer network that BG Products cannot re-brand the products and GM requires the name brand of Mr Goodwrench.

Bearracing
 
I'm bumping this up - it seems as if BG products are gaining attention as the result of being featured on certain car-talk radio shows around the country, and I think it might be useful to continue this discussion (if anyone cares to, that is....)
 
Actually, some local shops around here sell BG additives and many of them use BG equipment for brakes, PS, transmissions, injector/emissions cleaning, etc. The local Chevy dealer used to almost exlusively use 44K, they still sell it and recommend it, but they don't use it in the shop so much. From what the parts guys were saying, sounds like a price issue. They (BG) don't recommend you use 44K very often, something like every 7500 miles IIRC. MOA is a good oil additive, if you want an oil additive. Not magic, just a good additive which many oils don't need, but its not snake oil. MOA is about $10 a can here, BG44K runs around $20.

You can often get better deals for the money, seeing as how for $20 I can get either two 20oz bottles of Chevron Techron, two bottles of Redline, 4 cans of Seafoam, a bunch of Lucas cleaner, or whatever else suits your fancy. But that doesn't change how good 44K is.

Vortec: Goss runs a pretty good show, and I generally like BG chemicals. But he and others like him are advertising BG, not just recommending it. That doesn't somehow magically alter the chemical makeup of said products, but it is good to keep things in perspective.
 
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