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Right. I don't think pointing out Toyota has the world's top sales because they top JD Power and then crapping on VW, who holds the #2 position, for being at the bottom of JD Power is the win some seem to think it is.

FWIW, those JD Power dependability studies are US only.

Looking at individual manufacturers, Toyota indeed tops US sales as of the most recent data I could find which encompasses the 1st half of '25. Ford is a close second.

Volkswagen US sales, however, are in a completely different tier than Toyota. (Just like their JD Power US dependability ranking). They are ranked 15th, with sales down 13% from 1H '24.

Note, if you aggregate individual manufacturers sales by parent corp GM leads Toyota Corp. in US sales.
 
I know a lot of people that wouldn't drive anything but Jeep Grand Cherokee.
Yep, I think that was a vehicle Jeep decided the QA guys would win more fights than the MBA guys on design and parts suppliers. They have a pretty good profit margin on them I think, so they can spend a bit more on quality bits. And people notice, and they also feel solid on the road.

The newer fwd based, transverse engine, regular Cherokee, IMHO was Jeep trying to build something cheaply, and it's not a vehicle I've heard anyone have something good to say about it, and not something I would recommend. A guy at work had a new one for a year and then got "a real jeep" his words, and got the GC and likes it much more. A CRV/RAV4/CX-5/Forester/Outback are better for reliability IMO, if not always for NVH.

We really considered a used GC in 2018, but the high new prices made the old ones hold their values to the point that a new Outback was about the same price. We found the Outback and GC are the same size inside and kind of give the same driving experience, on the road at least, and they are both fine for our soft roading and our light towing.
 
FWIW, those JD Power dependability studies are US only.

Looking at individual manufacturers, Toyota indeed tops US sales as of the most recent data I could find which encompasses the 1st half of '25. Ford is a close second.

Volkswagen US sales, however, are in a completely different tier than Toyota. (Just like their JD Power US dependability ranking). They are ranked 15th, with sales down 13% from 1H '24.

Note, if you aggregate individual manufacturers sales by parent corp GM leads Toyota Corp. in US sales.
Toyota, for a long time, rode on cheap gas prices. There is nothing wrong with it, it is business. Offer absolutely obsolete engines, and there you go. The customer base that they aim for does not care about it. I, for example, bought Sequoia 5.7 V8 because. two reasons: 1. 3 kids, family hauler. 2. Off-road capability. It is probably the most inefficient V8; somehow, they made it too heavy, but the doors are flimsy like on Corolla, etc. But it serves that purpose when we travel somewhere, to national parks, or when I need it once a week for something. Big trunk helps with skiing trips with kids; otherwise, BMW does everything every day: kids drop-offs, skiing, work, groceries. Is it what you try to represent here when it comes to reliability? No it is not. It has enough known issues to make you pay attention to various things. Did I buy it with the notion that I will just change oil and buy gas? No, I had close to 50 cars in my life. None was maintenance-free. All require attention.

In the rest of the world, things are more complicated. Toyota could not offer the 3.5 V6 in all vehicles in Europe or the 2.5. 2.5 alone is too big for the average European customer. They had to offer diesels, and that did not go well (and that is huge understatement). Pistons were breaking, rod bearings were failing. As usual, Toyota turned to BMW for engines, and they used their diesels until Volkswagen's dieselgate scandal made diesel the enemy number one. Then they shifted to hybrid, which is selling kind of OK, as others are offering the same thing (for example, VW offers in the EU the hybrid Tiguan and not here. Go figure), so there is huge competition.

They never brought V8 diesel here, although LC and Sequoia would be perfect candidates for that engine. Why? Complexity, reliability etc. It would damage the cult that is going on, for a hypothetical uptick in sales. 3.0 D-4D (I have that engine in Prado in Europe) is far from an example of reliability. Compared to BMW M57 I had in several cars, it is far from it. It would be good in GX 460 for example, but again, it had classic modern diesel issues (numerous EGR failures, EGR cooler failures, some CR pumps were problematic, and SCR is (un)reliable as in any other diesel). So, while enthusiasts, especially off-road ones, would appreciate 3.0 in the 4Runner, for example, it would destroy that cult status.
However, CAFE made things more complicated, hence 3.4TT, the Corolla with the self-igniting 3-cylinder, and 2.4 (which seems okay for now). Toyota is in the business of making money. But it was not some uber quality that made them more reliable. It was the obsolescence of engines that made them reliable. BMW could bring back M54 or N52, and voila, you have uber reliable engine, etc., etc.
And that is OK. Toyota went that route; others went a different route. Subaru is probably one that went hardest with "let us offer the most boring vehicle you can buy," than going with a marketing campaign that goes along the lines: "if you don't buy Subaru, your family will die in horrible death and you will watch it happen." But, it is business. Not a cult, at least for some.
 
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The funny thing about Toyota and their owners. For some reason they are ok with the ridiculous price of parts and service. Again, a power window switch in 2006 flagship is the same (not interchangeable) as a Corolla, about $800. A BMW 7, around $300. OE to OE. So Toyota is like that cheap HP inkjet where you spend more on ink than the printer. I own a LS430 and have learned any type of dealer encounter is not remotely possible. It’s DIY or indie.

The best was a 2007 LS owner—if I knew this car would be as reliable as a BMW 7 but more to maintain, I would have bought a BMW 7.
 
The funny thing about Toyota and their owners. For some reason they are ok with the ridiculous price of parts and service. Again, a power window switch in 2006 flagship is the same (not interchangeable) as a Corolla, about $800. A BMW 7, around $300. OE to OE. So Toyota is like that cheap HP inkjet where you spend more on ink than the printer. I own a LS430 and have learned any type of dealer encounter is not remotely possible. It’s DIY or indie.

The best was a 2007 LS owner—if I knew this car would be as reliable as a BMW 7 but more to maintain, I would have bought a BMW 7.
I went to buy donut spare for my SIenna, as AWD came with RFT tires, no spare bcs. transfer case takes space. Did same on X5 35d. Bought donut spare from BMW dealership. Wheel (18") was I think $109, tire (Dunlop) was $129.
So, trade in X5 for Sienna bcs. second kid, space, go to local Toyota dealersip and 17" wheel was $149. I am like, OK, whatever. Tire? $350! :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: Also, Dunlop, just smaller.
I told guys how for BMW X5 18" is like $240 cheaper, and he is: well, this is Toyota.
Discount Tire accross the street sold me Kumho for $89.
 
FWIW, those JD Power dependability studies are US only.
Sure, but we are just talking the quality rankings, which, relative to global sales, is as I noted, which I find amusing.
Looking at individual manufacturers, Toyota indeed tops US sales as of the most recent data I could find which encompasses the 1st half of '25. Ford is a close second.
And Ford, if we go back to those average graphs I put together and you and I discussed earlier, does not rank highly on the JD Power surveys. Not as low as VW, but certainly below average.
Volkswagen US sales, however, are in a completely different tier than Toyota. (Just like their JD Power US dependability ranking). They are ranked 15th, with sales down 13% from 1H '24.

Note, if you aggregate individual manufacturers sales by parent corp GM leads Toyota Corp. in US sales.
I don't think VW has ever dominated US sales? It's always been a global thing for them, they do well in Europe and some other markets.
 
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