Best brand of oil filters
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Brand new + warranty = OE… Nissan filters will last the lifetime of the vehicle
Let's start with what I am NOT saying.
1) I'm not saying use a junk filter
2) I'm not saying filtering is unimportant.
3) I'm not saying a more efficient filter won't reduce wear.
What I am saying, is the car as a whole will be long gone for some other reason, a reason other than oil filter choice alone, before the small difference in wear from oil filter choice causes the engine to grind down to nothingness.
There is nothing vague about this concept. I doubt OP will be an exception to this.
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Thread Title: "Best brand of oil filters"Sounds like Bob Winters' religion.................
Get back to our roots! There may be the holy grail of filters out there still. Undiscovered.
If there is no difference in the longevity of a engine based on oil filter brand usage, I would have to ask....why are there so many brands and different models of each. There would only be a Fram standard duty filter for instance. Why would anybody buy the tough guard for instance. Obviously, a lot of people feel that there is some reason to buy the tough guard over the standard duty filter. Besides, there would be no need for this forum...just go buy whatever cheapest oil filter brand that will work on your car. I however feel that oil brand and type, oil filter brand and type, and the OCI has everything to do with how long the engine last.
Well like any product manufacturer - Fram makes marketing decisions to sell products. Good, Better. Best is an old approach that works surprisingly well. It’s based on feelings as much as technology. You feel that and it’s ok.
Read again what I wrote. Choose a good filter. I’m not trying to discourage or dissuade you.
OP also said: "I think I am especially looking for a brand with the highest 20 to 25 micron filtration rate that will still hold together with the best construction."
So he's obviously focused on filter efficiency.
That doesn't change the fact that a higher efficiency filter means cleaner oil, which means less engine wear - every study concludes that fact.
One could also say to never maintain or neglect your vehicles because someone might T-bone you on the road and destroy the vehicle. Just think how please someone would be after their car was totaled when they realized how much maintenance cost they saved, lol. If someone wants to think that way and make excuses for facts, then go for it ... not my machine.
What oil filter(s) are you using? I bet it's those high efficiency Amsoil filters. If filtration isn't important, then maybe Amsoil better start using 50% @ 40u media.
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Embrace the idea that we do not have enough data to define the "silver bullet"
Embrace the idea that "your perception is your reality"
Study the "best oil filters" threads here.
Follow the 2 or 3 members here that exhibit OCD about this topic and do as they recommend.
Just a year +/- ago the Fram Ultra was "identified" as the best filter. Currently, the Premium Guard brand (many labels) of filter is considered the "best" oil filter.
Sigh - https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/t...l-filters-for-efficiency.396792/#post-7278919
It's been pointed out many times that engine wear with respect to oil cleanliness and what filter is best depends a lot on the OCI. The longer the OCI the more beneficial a higher efficiency filter will be. Engine wear from particulate in the oil is proportional to the level of contamination combined with the length of the OCI. If you changed oil ever 1000 miles on a broke-in engine, you wouldn't need a very efficient oil filter. But if you did 10K+ OCIs then a higher efficiency filter is going to be beneficial in keeping the oil cleaner over that long OCI. A lot of people just elect to use high efficiency filters regardless of the OCI ... why not unless you're trying to save a few bucks in maintenance costs.
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After not having used a Nissan OEM filter in years I threw one on an order I was already placing. The louvers were not open enough to my liking. I tossed it. There made by grupo Gohner in Mexico. I am surprised how many here are still using those - but to each his own.
Unfortunate because it used to be a decent filter with a silicon ADBV for a decent price. I remember when they were made in Japan by someone, and had holes not louvers.
I am done buying any filter with louvers anymore. Seems like none of them are any good.
Premium Guard or one of the variants, Hengst, or Denso - in that order - are the only ones that seem to have consistent construction at least.
Unfortunate because it used to be a decent filter with a silicon ADBV for a decent price. I remember when they were made in Japan by someone, and had holes not louvers.
I am done buying any filter with louvers anymore. Seems like none of them are any good.
Premium Guard or one of the variants, Hengst, or Denso - in that order - are the only ones that seem to have consistent construction at least.
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You could still get the Japan oil filters made by Mahle. They have blue print on a grayish white can with perforated center tube. Its the oe filter equipped on my wife's new rogue
The OG Ultra and Titanium set a pretty high performance bar. Plenty of 99% @ 20-25u filters available today that are rated to 10K miles. Or just flip a coin or setup an "oil filter chooser" dart board if the buyer doesn't think efficiency matters because the car might get totaled next week.
Is that all you take from what I wrote? Because that is not what I wrote.Or just flip a coin or setup an "oil filter chooser" dart board if the buyer doesn't think efficiency matters because the car might get totaled next week.
It's not binary, nor last forever vs totaled situation and you know it.
Less engine wear sure.That doesn't change the fact that a higher efficiency filter means cleaner oil, which means less engine wear - every study concludes that fact.
One could also say to never maintain or neglect your vehicles because someone might T-bone you on the road and destroy the vehicle. Just think how please someone would be after their car was totaled when they realized how much maintenance cost they saved, lol. If someone wants to think that way and make excuses for facts, then go for it ... not my machine.
What oil filter(s) are you using? I bet it's those high efficiency Amsoil filters. If filtration isn't important, then maybe Amsoil better start using 50% @ 40u media.
Then you go on your deep end bent again. Stop being so ridiculously, or perhaps disingenuously extreme and open your mind.
How much longer will an average automobile, the entire auto, last - if you use a 99% @ 25u filter vs a 99% @ 30u oil filter?
A lot of oil filter selling is marketing. Good better best sells. It’s an old concept.
Choose a good filter, don’t get me wrong. No one likes wear.
All you basically said is that oil filtration doesn't really matter because the car will be totaled before the engine "wears out" (post 23), then you say: "Choose a good filter, don’t get me wrong. No one likes wear." in post 37. Which one is it? LoL
I'd imagine a "good filter" means one with pretty high efficiency.That was your original message, so in your mind the level of oil cleanliness doesn't ever matter. Some people have that mindset, but just because an engine made it to 200-330K miles or more and "still runs good" doesn't mean it could be in better shape if more measures were taken to reduce wear.
What's not binary? Yes, less wear, yet your overall message is that it doesn't matter ... so you seem to be against taking measures to reduce engine wear. What measures do you take on your vehicles to try and reduce engine wear?
Still a fact that cleaner oil results in less wear. I'm still waiting for someone to prove otherwise, regardless of how much it might benefit an engine or not over the long run - that's for the vehicle owner to research and decide. And there is plenty of wear study info for them to research. The most basic logic in tribology is to realize that keeping debris out of the oil results in less debris causing wear between moving parts.
I'm not talking about a small difference in efficiency like that example. Even with a small difference like that there would be some small long term benefit, and of course it would also depend on OCI length as well as other factors like engine health and cleanliness, use condition, etc. In wear studies, there is measured engine wear difference between a 99% @ 20u vs 50% @ 20u (or 99% @ 40u) filters.
