Benefits of using higher octane?

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My car calls for 87 in the manual. In NYC, we have 87, 89, and 93 available (certain places have 91).

Is there any benefit in running 89, 91, or 93? Or would I be wasting money?
 
you can actually be taking away from the performance and mileage that yuou get by running a higher octane than the engine is designed for.

octane number rates how resistant the fuel is to spontaneous detonation (detonation), higher octane = harder to ignite. thus, if you use a harder to ignite fuel in a car that was designed to be ran on easy to ignite fuel, it just makes it work harder to do the same thing and lowering the overall efficiency (power/economy)
 
Octane grades don't represent a "good, better, best" choice; they simply measure the resistance of fuel to knocking or pinging, a condition in which gasoline burns uncontrollably in the engine's combustion chambers.
 
And higher octane fuels can actually contain fewer BTUs per gallon as they can depend on aromatics and ethanol for the higher octane rating. The reason higher octane is linked to higher power output is it allows for higher compression ratios that leads to higher engine efficiency (% of chemical energy in the fuel converted to power at the wheels). Use whatever octane does not give excessive pinging; in your case, 87 octane.
 
Originally Posted By: hardcore302
My car calls for 87 in the manual. In NYC, we have 87, 89, and 93 available (certain places have 91).

Is there any benefit in running 89, 91, or 93? Or would I be wasting money?


Mustang GT only calls for 87?
 
Stick with the owners manual recommends.

We try and buy fuel where there is a big turnover and don't worry brands all that much but use Shell quite a bit as there are two stations close to the house.
 
Some cars with knock sensors have minimum octane requirements yet can take advantage of higher octane.

For example my 95 bmw recommends 89 octane yet can use 87 and also take advantage of 93 octane for more power and economy.

That said, my car now requires 91 or better as i have intalled a performace chip which modified the computer mapping.
 
2005-2009 Mustang GT only has 25 degrees of full throttle timing. Their is no real advantage to fuel above regular 87 in these cars with the stock tune.

The 2008-2009 Bullitt and 2010 GT will allow up to 28 degrees under some circumstances and can take advantage of higher octane.

If you buy fuel from a Top Tier rated station you will get double the EPA required detergent even in the regular. Most majors are on the Top Tier list now.
 
My 01 bullitt would ping knock like a coffee can of marbles on most 87 when warmed up. These days at the pump, I think many times you are getting BELOW STATED OCTANE, so in that case another couple points can help if you regularly use your vehicle's full performance. Any engine over 10/1 compression and 70hp/L can benefit by higher octane. I just mix in 20%(2 of 10 total gallons) 93 R+M/2 - no need or want to go "all 93" unless you have a 91+ requirement. My toyota wont give me any power over 4 grand on the tach without some 93 mixed in.
 
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If you car has a Knock sensor you could get improved mileage with premium instead of regular if it's setup to change your timing for the fuel change.

If not then it's a waste of money in most cases or not worth the added cost.

Some companies like shell put in 5x the cleaning additive and in my area don't add ethanol into the fuel so if you are looking for these benefits then it may be worth it.

But octane alone doesn't need to be any higher than what your manual calls for.

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In most cases, higher octane probably won't help & may even do a bit worse. One exception- if the car is getting a little motor oil into the combustion chamber, whether from worn/stuck rings or worn valve guides, more octane may help, because motor oil degrades octane.

BUT: The last tank I ran through the Dakota had 8 gal of 93 in a 22 gal tank. Since I bought the truck 6 weeks ago, best milage has been just under 16 mpg in my current mostly short hop driving. One tank was under 15! So: I reasoned that with the Dakotas 3.9 V6, too-high top OD gear(0.69, w/3.55 rear axle), and 30.3" tall new tires, it was struggling to maintain that high gear without downshifting. Really- it would be hard to come up with a better set of conditions to cause it to always pull timing- and pulling timing is death to gas mileage! It would downshift for just about anything if you were under ~62 mph. Looks like I was right- At fillup after the 1/3 Super, with FP, mileage had gone to 17.578 mpg. Nice difference, huh? And not too bad for a near 4000 lb vehicle that rarely goes more than 6-7 miles at a hop these days. It also climbs a pretty steep hill at only ~50-52 mph(50= ~min speed to shift into OD) without downshifting. Current fill is also a bit over 1/3 Super(station claims no Ethanol in any of their gas), will pay very close attention to this tank's mileage too.

This makes me think that 1. Sometimes a little extra octane really *can* help! and 2. My truck has not received the dealership Mopar "Death Flash" to the computer. If it had I doubt extra octane would help at all.

Please note that I tried this for a specific problem that seemed to cry out for a little more timing, hence a little extra octane. As always, YMMV.
 
Originally Posted By: StevieC
If you car has a Knock sensor you could get improved mileage with premium instead of regular if it's setup to change your timing for the fuel change.

If not then it's a waste of money in most cases or not worth the added cost.


What he said. My Isuzu will advance timing for 91 octane (highest up here) and it gives me a slightly better mileage (about 1.2 to 1.5 MPG extra). I have Excel spreadsheet that I use to figure out what grade to use when gas prices change drastically.
 
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Originally Posted By: Lethal1ty17
octane number rates how resistant the fuel is to spontaneous detonation (detonation), higher octane = harder to ignite. thus, if you use a harder to ignite fuel in a car that was designed to be ran on easy to ignite fuel, it just makes it work harder to do the same thing and lowering the overall efficiency (power/economy)


There's a difference between increased resistance to auto-ignition, and hard to ignite.

The spark will do the same job regardless of octane rating, and the flame kernal will propgate about the same.

Some high octane fuels carry less energy into the chamber than lower ones do.
 
Originally Posted By: Boomer
And higher octane fuels can actually contain fewer BTUs per gallon as they can depend on aromatics and ethanol for the higher octane rating. T


Very good point. Due to this, you can get worse MPG with 91 / 93 over 87 some times.
 
The premium I buy contains no ethanol---thank God. Therefore I get better gas mileage than the grades mixed with that ethanol junk.
 
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