AWD and wagon-like?

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My Jetta wagon is starting to feel old. It also lacks AWD. This past week was something of a last-straw for me: I got stuck on a driveway that, after getting pushed out of the way, I watched my friends in their (AWD) Volvo, Subaru, Ridgeline, Highlander Hybrid take with no problem. And back down again. I have a set of Nordman 2 snow (winter?) tires, rather new, so it's not for lack of tires--it's for lack of weight on the drive wheels while going uphill. Seems like I run into this "stuck" problem once/year--not enough to really "justify" but it sure would be nice. I'm also a bit tired of yearly repairs.

So, I have been thinking of a RAV4, maybe 2-3 years old. Just get it serviced at the same dealer that does the Camry. It sounds like 30mpg isn’t unheard of on the I4, for gentle drivers.

CRV sounds interesting; but I don’t like bling—I’d prefer a more conservative design. I’m not sure how good our Subaru dealers are; and right now I “trust” my local Toyota dealer (and if I didn’t, there’s others around to switch to). Subaru would at least get me a stickshift. Mazda5 sounds nice, but no AWD, and they aren’t that common in stick either. Kinda apprehensive about domestic; fast depreciation and shoddy reliability past 100k. [Shoddy or hit-or-miss, not sure which.] Most anyplace can service these makes, I guess, unlike my diesel VW. Hyundia/Kia, can’t quite say no, but low mpg and spotty long(er) term reliability it seems when I read about those.

Background stuff: 90mile/day roundtrip commute, 75+% is highway, I’d say 90% is at 50mph or better. Little weekend driving. I’m guessing about 25k/year total mileage. Semi-rural is where I live, in central NH (so we get snow and ice for several months of the year). Not particularly hilly here. I do have 2-3 of those 45 gallon Rubbermaid trashcans to take to the transfer station on the weekends (2 per week, plus a third if I miss a weekend), so, I’d like to have a larger opening than my Jetta has, and seats that fold easier (have to remove headrests on the Jetta, after removing kiddie seats, to fit all three trashcans—and really should drop for when I move just two). Two small kids, in booster seats; haven’t ruled out a third (but wife would likely have a minivan at that point). Wife and I are average sized (5’8”, well below 200lb). Not sure I would own such a vehicle past 125-150k, likely to trade out of at that time.

I've thought about having 3 vehicles (hers, mine, spare AWD) but that seems just as pricey in the end (own two old vehicles?). My VW is looking at like 2 weeks in the shop this year, along with at least $1500 in repairs I think.
 
I wouldn't worry too much about finding a good Subaru dealer or shop up there. Subarus are everywhere. My sister and brother in law avoided jumping on the Subaru bandwagon for several years after moving to NH and then VT, but eventually broke down and bought an Impreza. They are happy with it, there is a reason those cars are popular in New England.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
I'd buy a new base Subaru outback MT and call it a day.


+1

I like the Subies and it is a good "VW substitute" IMHO. Both cars feel tight and peppy (VW Turbo models if you dont like the VR6 at least.)
 
Forget the Subaru's.

Get one of the last 2012 Ford Escape V-6 AWD's coming off the lots. Gurarantee you can get a steal of a deal on one!
 
2012 subaru impreza with 148hp 2.0 engine is 27/36mpg city/hwy, supposedly the best mpg of any awd. Though I don't know if it will be big enough to haul the stuff you wanted.
 
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V6 Escape? 30 seconds of looking (albeit, not enough) and it seems like low to mid 20's for mpg's. Would like 30, if possible. [A few persons seem able to hit 30mpg in RAV4 I4; I think my commute is favorable to high mpg's.]

http://www.fuelly.com/car/ford/escape/2012

I'll start looking at Subaru. I had kinda not bothered, as my father's '04 Forrester hasn't been great, but it's getting old and I suppose it'll be buggy. Prior models seem to have rust, wheel bearing, clutch and head gasket issues (gasket might be old news--but Subaru was content to ignore it for years). It also got 25mpg on the highway; but that's probably due to the ancient 4 speed auto that my father had to have.

Impreza? Isn't that a sedan?
 
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90 miles a day? A Rav4 with the 2.5 or a post 2005 with the 5 speed auto CRV would hopefully hit 30 all highway. I would think the TDI would get a lot better than that, though.
 
Originally Posted By: supton
Impreza? Isn't that a sedan?

It comes in both 4-door and 5-door body styles. The 5-door looks like something between a hatchback and a wagon. But if you want more cargo space, Outback would be a better option.
 
Originally Posted By: supton

Impreza? Isn't that a sedan?

My sister's husband has the hatchback...
Subaru_Impreza_Hatchback_1.jpg


Like Pete said, it's the smallest of the Subaru wagons. It's very functional, just small.
 
Originally Posted By: bepperb
90 miles a day? A Rav4 with the 2.5 or a post 2005 with the 5 speed auto CRV would hopefully hit 30 all highway. I would think the TDI would get a lot better than that, though.



It does. 45mpg if I don't beat on it (42 in summer with A/C on and somewhat more aggressive driving). However, it ranges from $500 - $1k per year in repairs now, it seems. A gasser at 38 or 39mpg would match that, in fuel cost per mile ($4/gallon D2 and $3.44/RUG, I think those are current costs); a Toyota ought to slightly less problematic on the repair front.

Just weighing my options. It's possible I might wind up with the Camry, and the wife gets a minivan instead.
 
Look at some suzukis, if you can find them. Not for everyone, but the sx4 hatchback has 4wd.
 
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Originally Posted By: supton

Impreza? Isn't that a sedan?

My sister's husband has the hatchback...
Subaru_Impreza_Hatchback_1.jpg


Like Pete said, it's the smallest of the Subaru wagons. It's very functional, just small.


Ah, thanks. Looks kinda small, but I guess I could use my trailer with it. AWD should move my utility trailer around better in winter conditions. Just as long as that 36mpg isn't depandant on the CVT--I don't plan to buy one of those.
 
Originally Posted By: supton
Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
Originally Posted By: supton

Impreza? Isn't that a sedan?

My sister's husband has the hatchback...
Subaru_Impreza_Hatchback_1.jpg


Like Pete said, it's the smallest of the Subaru wagons. It's very functional, just small.


Ah, thanks. Looks kinda small, but I guess I could use my trailer with it. AWD should move my utility trailer around better in winter conditions. Just as long as that 36mpg isn't depandant on the CVT--I don't plan to buy one of those.


If you were looking at a Rav4, the impreza 5 door isn't much smaller than that (almost the same dimensions exterior and interior), it seems smaller than it is because it is lower to the ground than a Rav4.

If you were looking at a minivan, and still want AWD, toyota siennas have awd options, but mileage isn't so great on it, so it would make sense if you drive the camry on your 90 mile drives.
 
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Oh, definately. Err, probably... We bought the Camry in August, and it has 15.5kmiles on it already! I guess my stay-at-home wife isn't quite so stay at home...

But in her case, she feels quite fine with just FWD. And for a minivan, I think I'd leave that as FWD, 'cuz that extra mpg or two is a bigger percentage loss. Not to mention, a rather expensive vehicle as it is. And not as likely to be driven in inclement weather (kids stay home on those days anyhow).

Thanks all.
 
I'd also suggest the Suzuki SX4 if you were looking purely for a commuter.

Since you need room for hauling too, Subaru really is the only way to go. I don't know exactly what the size difference is, but my gut tells me the RAV4 wouldn't take much more cargo than an Impreza 5-door, Forester or an Outback. Folks on fueleconomy.gov are reporting high 20's in the 2011 Outback, which I think is pretty good for an AWD and fairly large wagon/crossover.
 
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There's the Mazda CX-5. Should provide 25 city / 31 highway mpg.

...but you'll have to wait.

Then there's the CX-7. But to get AWD you have to get the DISI turbo and that drops mileage to 25 highway.

Or come down south and pick up a nice rust free Jeep Cherokee 4X4 and undercoat the [heck] out of it before returning north. Leave it parked and plugged into a battery tender for those mornings that the Jetta might have difficulties. Use it in the summer for fishing trips to keep muddy shoes and fish smells out of your VW. Use it's 4.0 in the fall for hauling firewood.
 
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