Autoline tears into Volkswagen VW (After Hours)
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Originally Posted By: macarose
"Let's ask a bunch of non-experts who know absolutely nothing about the deeper details of the event?"
AUTOLINE has been around for 20 years.
John McElroy the host has been around forever..... he used to be a UAW employee and saw the intimate details of the factory. His past experience includes Road & Track, World Cars, and the trade magazine Automotive Industries where he ultimately rose to Editorial Director. He was also invited to write the annual automotive entry for the Encyclopedia Britannica Yearbook.
His guests are just-as-qualified. And what is YOUR background that makes you think you can judge such a man? (Answer: Some anonymous guy on a web forum.) I freely-admit I don't know much about the Detroit Car Industry, and therefore listen to experts like John McElroy & his guests. I don't try to pretend (like you) that I am more intelligent than they are.
These guys from Autoline have talked to & interviewed the highest management inside car industry.
You're just an auctioneer.
"Let's ask a bunch of non-experts who know absolutely nothing about the deeper details of the event?"
AUTOLINE has been around for 20 years.
John McElroy the host has been around forever..... he used to be a UAW employee and saw the intimate details of the factory. His past experience includes Road & Track, World Cars, and the trade magazine Automotive Industries where he ultimately rose to Editorial Director. He was also invited to write the annual automotive entry for the Encyclopedia Britannica Yearbook.
His guests are just-as-qualified. And what is YOUR background that makes you think you can judge such a man? (Answer: Some anonymous guy on a web forum.) I freely-admit I don't know much about the Detroit Car Industry, and therefore listen to experts like John McElroy & his guests. I don't try to pretend (like you) that I am more intelligent than they are.
These guys from Autoline have talked to & interviewed the highest management inside car industry.
You're just an auctioneer.
Originally Posted By: veryHeavy
You're just an auctioneer.
Really?
And what is your profession, veryHeavy?
So far, your posts are either inflammatory, or they revolve around a theme: how you've been ripped off.
Ripped off by car companies, by AMSOIL...so, are there others that have managed to rip you off?
Your skills demonstrated to date: victimhood and trolling.
And you're picking on somebody because they listed their actual profession?
Geez...
You're just an auctioneer.
Really?
And what is your profession, veryHeavy?
So far, your posts are either inflammatory, or they revolve around a theme: how you've been ripped off.
Ripped off by car companies, by AMSOIL...so, are there others that have managed to rip you off?
Your skills demonstrated to date: victimhood and trolling.
And you're picking on somebody because they listed their actual profession?
Geez...
Originally Posted By: Nick1994
It's going back with a broken grille, broken windshield, bald tires, non-working A/C, howling steering column, squealing brakes, chattering noise (possible flywheel?), 2,500 miles past due for an oil change, 14,000 miles past due for a fuel filter change, and minus the floor mats and trunk mat.
I have some nice bald ones for you that howl. They're 205/55r16s. Too bad you're not closer.
It's going back with a broken grille, broken windshield, bald tires, non-working A/C, howling steering column, squealing brakes, chattering noise (possible flywheel?), 2,500 miles past due for an oil change, 14,000 miles past due for a fuel filter change, and minus the floor mats and trunk mat.
I have some nice bald ones for you that howl. They're 205/55r16s. Too bad you're not closer.
If I owned one of these VWs I would drive back-and-forth across the country a couple times, seeing places I've always wanted to see, like Mount Rushmore, Disney World, Mexico City, the Alaska Highway, et cetera. Then when it was over 200,000 miles, turn it in for the buyback.
Originally Posted By: Astro14
And you're picking on somebody because they listed their actual profession?
No I freely admit I am nobody important. I am correcting the other guy because he claimed John McElroy is a "nobody whose opinion does not matter". John McElroy has been in the auto industry for 50 years, earned numerous awards, and deserves RESPECT not insults.
Originally Posted By: Astro14
And you're picking on somebody because they listed their actual profession?
No I freely admit I am nobody important. I am correcting the other guy because he claimed John McElroy is a "nobody whose opinion does not matter". John McElroy has been in the auto industry for 50 years, earned numerous awards, and deserves RESPECT not insults.
Originally Posted By: veryHeavy
THE LAW IS THE LAW.
Why do some think a car company should be exempt from following a law duly-passed by the People & the Republic of these United States? Not just VW, but GM, Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Ford, Chrysler, and the rest have to obey the law. If the companies don't like our American laws passed by the People's Representative in congress, well then, they can stop selling cars here.
These laws are not just passed for spite. They are passed to reduce exhaust emissions & damage to human lungs.
You live in a cave if you think Congress does not act out of spite.
THE LAW IS THE LAW.
Why do some think a car company should be exempt from following a law duly-passed by the People & the Republic of these United States? Not just VW, but GM, Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Ford, Chrysler, and the rest have to obey the law. If the companies don't like our American laws passed by the People's Representative in congress, well then, they can stop selling cars here.
These laws are not just passed for spite. They are passed to reduce exhaust emissions & damage to human lungs.
You live in a cave if you think Congress does not act out of spite.
Originally Posted By: supton
-saw a link someplace where they were parking TDi's in a football field or somesuch--what do you do with this many cars?
Crush them and recycle them.
-saw a link someplace where they were parking TDi's in a football field or somesuch--what do you do with this many cars?
Crush them and recycle them.
"Volkswagen TDIs were such good, efficient, torquey, handsome and (mostly) reliable vehicles. They brought newborns home from the hospital and took college kids to their first job interviews. It’s that human element that makes seeing these cars in such a state so depressing.
"Now they rot in these parking lots, their potential wasted, all because VW couldn’t be bothered to follow emissions laws."
"Now they rot in these parking lots, their potential wasted, all because VW couldn’t be bothered to follow emissions laws."
Go away GHT, aka Joseph!
Originally Posted By: macarose
No. I'm not clicking on your lame bait.
It amounts to this...
"Let's ask a bunch of non-experts who know absolutely nothing about the deeper details of the event what they think?"
I'm sure a bunch of generalizations and sponsor driven hate is worth your time. But I would rather do seven billion other things with my time.
I'm definitely not vouching for the OP, but the program he linked to is Autoline After Hours, hosted by John McElroy. He knows his stuff as do his guests.
I listen to the Autoline After Hours podcast pretty much every week. I skip the interview segment at the front of some episodes, if they're interviewing someone I don't find interesting, and go right to the news and analysis segment of the show.
The linked show above is over a month old. It's their 2016 year end show, where they gave kudos and lumps of coal to poeple and companies who had made news over the year. The OP chose to link right to the part of the show where someone gives a lump of coal to VW.
No. I'm not clicking on your lame bait.
It amounts to this...
"Let's ask a bunch of non-experts who know absolutely nothing about the deeper details of the event what they think?"
I'm sure a bunch of generalizations and sponsor driven hate is worth your time. But I would rather do seven billion other things with my time.
I'm definitely not vouching for the OP, but the program he linked to is Autoline After Hours, hosted by John McElroy. He knows his stuff as do his guests.
I listen to the Autoline After Hours podcast pretty much every week. I skip the interview segment at the front of some episodes, if they're interviewing someone I don't find interesting, and go right to the news and analysis segment of the show.
The linked show above is over a month old. It's their 2016 year end show, where they gave kudos and lumps of coal to poeple and companies who had made news over the year. The OP chose to link right to the part of the show where someone gives a lump of coal to VW.
Consumer Reports likes the VW Alltrac but has little good to say about the engine in it.
Originally Posted By: veryHeavy
Takata Airbags are not just Honda cars. They are installed in many different brands:
True. But ONLY Honda a) once owned a significant part of Takata, b) pushed the Takata family into the airbag industry tin the first place, and c) uses Takata exclusively.
Takata Airbags are not just Honda cars. They are installed in many different brands:
True. But ONLY Honda a) once owned a significant part of Takata, b) pushed the Takata family into the airbag industry tin the first place, and c) uses Takata exclusively.
Who knows how VAG decided to cheat in at least two clever ways to make their diesels appear to be US emissions legal?
At what level of the organization were these decisions made?
Anyone would have to understand that this gambit would come to light at some point.
Somebody would take a look and figure out that these various VAG diesels could not comply with US emissions standards as built.
My guess is that knowledge of this bit of clever deception probably extended to only a mid-management level and was probably known to only a fairly small group of engineers and software writers within VW.
At this point, were I in senior management I'd just want to do whatever it takes to make this all go away, pass into history and fade from the popular memory, as it inevitably will.
Given what at least one member has written of his experience with a TDI, I'd be reluctant to drive mine as well. I'd hate to have to spend money fixing the car due to a failure prior to my buyback date, although we have another member who put impressive miles on his TDI before parting with it.
At what level of the organization were these decisions made?
Anyone would have to understand that this gambit would come to light at some point.
Somebody would take a look and figure out that these various VAG diesels could not comply with US emissions standards as built.
My guess is that knowledge of this bit of clever deception probably extended to only a mid-management level and was probably known to only a fairly small group of engineers and software writers within VW.
At this point, were I in senior management I'd just want to do whatever it takes to make this all go away, pass into history and fade from the popular memory, as it inevitably will.
Given what at least one member has written of his experience with a TDI, I'd be reluctant to drive mine as well. I'd hate to have to spend money fixing the car due to a failure prior to my buyback date, although we have another member who put impressive miles on his TDI before parting with it.
Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
Originally Posted By: Bluestream
Did anyone from GM go to jail over the ignition switch Scam? How many deaths from that?
That's pre-bankruptcy GM, a totally different company. Nothing to see here, move along... It would be funny if people hadn't been killed or seriously injured from their preventable screwup. All the majors have had their moments, Ford & Chrysler/Daimler/Cerberus/FCA haven't been immune either.
Pre-bankruptcy? Yet they honoured warranty on all pre bankruptcy vehicles. The point is it would have been easy to hold them accountable for such criminal behaviour. They were bailed out by taxpayers (including Canadian) But they obviously have friends in high places....
Originally Posted By: Bluestream
Did anyone from GM go to jail over the ignition switch Scam? How many deaths from that?
That's pre-bankruptcy GM, a totally different company. Nothing to see here, move along... It would be funny if people hadn't been killed or seriously injured from their preventable screwup. All the majors have had their moments, Ford & Chrysler/Daimler/Cerberus/FCA haven't been immune either.
Pre-bankruptcy? Yet they honoured warranty on all pre bankruptcy vehicles. The point is it would have been easy to hold them accountable for such criminal behaviour. They were bailed out by taxpayers (including Canadian) But they obviously have friends in high places....
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The VW executive of emissions Oliver Schmidt comes-across Very arrogant in his interview. I'm certain he knew all-along the methods VW used to cheat diesel & gasoline testing:
https://youtu.be/iaFP7ZQJa1w
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
True. But ONLY Honda a) once owned a significant part of Takata, b) pushed the Takata family into the airbag industry tin the first place, and c) uses Takata exclusively.
Honda does NOT own Takata.
And (b) and (c) are also false. I don't consider Honda immoral unless they acted like GM, VW, or Toyota (tried to coverup the flaw and/or deny warranty to customers). It's one thing for engineers to be human and make design mistakes..... it's something else to engage in a criminal conspiracy to hide the mistake (again like GM, VW, Toyota).
In my experience Honda quickly admits their mistakes & acts to fix them. Like in this article: "Honda announced a stop-sale order on new Civics with the 2.0-liter engine “due to potentially missing piston-pin snap rings that may cause engine stall or failure.”" http://jalopnik.com/that-was-fast-2016-honda-civic-hit-with-recall-and-sto-1756699375
In their hybrids they discovered battery failures were rampant,
so they extended the warranty from 80,000 to 150,000 miles!
In other words they said, "We will protect our customers from loss."
https://youtu.be/iaFP7ZQJa1w
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
True. But ONLY Honda a) once owned a significant part of Takata, b) pushed the Takata family into the airbag industry tin the first place, and c) uses Takata exclusively.
Honda does NOT own Takata.
And (b) and (c) are also false. I don't consider Honda immoral unless they acted like GM, VW, or Toyota (tried to coverup the flaw and/or deny warranty to customers). It's one thing for engineers to be human and make design mistakes..... it's something else to engage in a criminal conspiracy to hide the mistake (again like GM, VW, Toyota).
In my experience Honda quickly admits their mistakes & acts to fix them. Like in this article: "Honda announced a stop-sale order on new Civics with the 2.0-liter engine “due to potentially missing piston-pin snap rings that may cause engine stall or failure.”" http://jalopnik.com/that-was-fast-2016-honda-civic-hit-with-recall-and-sto-1756699375
In their hybrids they discovered battery failures were rampant,
so they extended the warranty from 80,000 to 150,000 miles!
In other words they said, "We will protect our customers from loss."
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: veryHeavy
Takata Airbags are not just Honda cars. They are installed in many different brands:
True. But ONLY Honda a) once owned a significant part of Takata, b) pushed the Takata family into the airbag industry tin the first place, and c) uses Takata exclusively.
Honda does not use Takata exclusively at least according to the TSB on the Civic where they have to inspect the drivers side bag to see if it is Takata or not.
Honda has fought the recall tooth and nail for years though and kept using the bags and people have died as a result of those bags as recently as September of last year.
Originally Posted By: veryHeavy
Takata Airbags are not just Honda cars. They are installed in many different brands:
True. But ONLY Honda a) once owned a significant part of Takata, b) pushed the Takata family into the airbag industry tin the first place, and c) uses Takata exclusively.
Honda does not use Takata exclusively at least according to the TSB on the Civic where they have to inspect the drivers side bag to see if it is Takata or not.
Honda has fought the recall tooth and nail for years though and kept using the bags and people have died as a result of those bags as recently as September of last year.
Originally Posted By: veryHeavy
Here's one of the jailed execs:
"At Volkswagen Schmidt Happens"
https://youtu.be/iaFP7ZQJa1w
LOL One of the local VW/Audi dealers here is Schmidt's Garage! Actually, I think they started as a used car and then a Chrysler dealer long ago...
Here's one of the jailed execs:
"At Volkswagen Schmidt Happens"
https://youtu.be/iaFP7ZQJa1w
LOL One of the local VW/Audi dealers here is Schmidt's Garage! Actually, I think they started as a used car and then a Chrysler dealer long ago...
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