Honda began installing a small inline ATF filter on the 5-sp ATs in 2004.
Auto trans fluid-filter question
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Hi Again,
To Ray H., I found out what you said about the small inline filter. My dealer didn't know about this item, And the woman at Honda America didn't tell me about this part, but a member on the Honda SUV site did. And let me tell you, it is SMALL! On the other hand, this might be an excellent location to substitute a somewhat larger capacity filter such as the magnafine.
I REALLY wanted to install the Permacool setup. A filter the size of Motorcrafts FL1A should easily filter for 30,000 miles. Then I would just need to change filters when I flushed the transmission. I'm still leaning towards doing that once Honda's warranty expires.
As for the ATF cooler, it's been ordered and received. I'll be installing it this Spring.
These two components ought to go a long way towards maximizing the durability of my trans.
Honda makes very nice vehicles. How I wish they would match the quality of their vehicles with their customer service!
Glen
To Ray H., I found out what you said about the small inline filter. My dealer didn't know about this item, And the woman at Honda America didn't tell me about this part, but a member on the Honda SUV site did. And let me tell you, it is SMALL! On the other hand, this might be an excellent location to substitute a somewhat larger capacity filter such as the magnafine.
I REALLY wanted to install the Permacool setup. A filter the size of Motorcrafts FL1A should easily filter for 30,000 miles. Then I would just need to change filters when I flushed the transmission. I'm still leaning towards doing that once Honda's warranty expires.
As for the ATF cooler, it's been ordered and received. I'll be installing it this Spring.
These two components ought to go a long way towards maximizing the durability of my trans.
Honda makes very nice vehicles. How I wish they would match the quality of their vehicles with their customer service!
Glen
stick with HOnda ATF in this transmission, it really does work the best as far as I can tell from 300,000 miles of use on two cars. I cange it every 30K, 15K if severe service, I drain and fill 4 times to et the old stuff out, hassle but worth it in the long run
"Whats the difference between the Perma cool labeled filter, and a standard Oil filter? Is it just high pressure? The replacement PermaCool is listed for $14.88"
its labled as a regular oil filter.
i ended up not even using mine, when i went to spin it on the rubber gasket pushed out the sides causing it to leak.
i pulled it off and pushed the gasket back into the crimps, spun it back on and it did the same thing.
so i put on a motorcraft FL-1A.....good to go.
its labled as a regular oil filter.
i ended up not even using mine, when i went to spin it on the rubber gasket pushed out the sides causing it to leak.
i pulled it off and pushed the gasket back into the crimps, spun it back on and it did the same thing.
so i put on a motorcraft FL-1A.....good to go.
JK,
Yes, you can use an engine oil filter with no problem.
I have a shorter filter on my Escape. I felt that the capacity of the FL1A was overkill and that I didn't want to take up that much room. I used the Purolator Premium Plus equilivant to a Motorcraft FL300.
Yes, you can use an engine oil filter with no problem.
I have a shorter filter on my Escape. I felt that the capacity of the FL1A was overkill and that I didn't want to take up that much room. I used the Purolator Premium Plus equilivant to a Motorcraft FL300.
Flyboy 4947, I am forced to agree with your statement about using Honda ATF. It irritates me that Honda engineered components that require one specific, proprietary fluid in order for their component to hold up. Would it have been so difficult to make a premium part that could use M1 or Dexron? The stealerships are more than happy to charge a person $4.50/qt for their ATF. At those prices I could fill with synthetic. And don't get me started on paying $12.50/gallon for premixed proprietary antifreeze.
As I said, their cars are very nice. Their customer service, including overcharging, sucks!
But that's just my opinion. I'm sure others feel differently.
Glen
As I said, their cars are very nice. Their customer service, including overcharging, sucks!
But that's just my opinion. I'm sure others feel differently.
Glen
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I'm sure others feel differently.
Why? Do they like being overcharged for stuff
Why? Do they like being overcharged for stuff
No. But my idea of "overcharging" may be someone else's fair price. And still others (presumably dealers) may feel that they aren't charging enough. It's all a matter of perspective.
Glen
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Very true. To some, it's just the cost of dealer service. They don't think too much about it.
How about paying over $7 for A THIRD OF A QUART of Honda proprietary power steering fluid!
I bought 4 of these to flush my PS system.
What a rip-off.
I bought 4 of these to flush my PS system.
What a rip-off.
Maybe the lawyers need to do to Honda what they apparently did to Daimler-Chysler (ATF+4 now being available outside of dealership distribution).
Gary, maybe buy more items at once if you need em that is. Its 8.95 for all orders(except oversized things) I ordered a 3ton jack a while ago. Atleast they dont charge 10$ to ship an empty UOA kit, talk abt rediculous.
Whats the difference between the Perma cool labeled filter, and a standard Oil filter? Is it just high pressure? The replacement PermaCool is listed for $14.88
Whats the difference between the Perma cool labeled filter, and a standard Oil filter? Is it just high pressure? The replacement PermaCool is listed for $14.88
The lawyers need to attack every automaker. But, the NEW owners just don't care until problems occur that could've been prevented with simple maintenance.
Someone mentioned doing 4 drain/refills every 30k instead of a flush. IMO, you're better off doing 1 drain/refill every 7.5k miles constantly removing wear and refreshing the ATF.
Anyone can make the permacool type ATF filter. You can buy any remote oil filter mount for any sized oil filter and plumb it inline using ATF hose from the parts store. The permacool picture posted shows the parts needed.
Someone mentioned doing 4 drain/refills every 30k instead of a flush. IMO, you're better off doing 1 drain/refill every 7.5k miles constantly removing wear and refreshing the ATF.
Anyone can make the permacool type ATF filter. You can buy any remote oil filter mount for any sized oil filter and plumb it inline using ATF hose from the parts store. The permacool picture posted shows the parts needed.
BLupher
I was wondering if you had heard anything from Hyundai or the warranty people about installing one of these on the Hyundai AT. I know the ** going around EXD and EGT about oil filters blowing up engines, but there doesn't seem to be a big deal about these going through warranty. have you talked to any warranty person about these?
I was wondering if you had heard anything from Hyundai or the warranty people about installing one of these on the Hyundai AT. I know the ** going around EXD and EGT about oil filters blowing up engines, but there doesn't seem to be a big deal about these going through warranty. have you talked to any warranty person about these?
Gary-Jegs has free standard shipping. I've ordered stuff from them for years now and I've never paid any shipping charges. I have paid a reasonable handling charge, which is fair considering someone has to "work" to pick and pack my parts and give them to the UPS guy. Too many people want something for nothing these days...........
Oh yeah, Jegs sells the same exact trans filter setup that Summit sells.
Oh yeah, Jegs sells the same exact trans filter setup that Summit sells.
Undummy,
I've had the same thought in my mind regarding a drain and refill every 10,000 miles. Actually, the CR-V transmission pan holds roughly 3 quarts of ATF. So drining and filling the pan 3 times in 30,000 would constitute a complete change.
Also, I am fortunate in that we have a small, local garage where two former Honda Techs started doing business some 15 years ago. These two gentlemen are excellent, trained mechanics who service what needs servicing and TELL YOU to leave the rest alone. Anyway, they recommend and do a very simple flush every 30,000 miles by starting the car, putting it in "drive" with the parking brake on, letting the old oil run into a 5 gallon pail, while simultaneously filling the transmission from the "dip stick" hole. This seems to work great. Apparently doesn't harm the transmission. And was a widely used technique until the more elaborate "flushing equipment" became common.
By the way, these gentlemen also strongly encourage the use of Honda fluids, except for the engine oil, where they are perfectly comfortable using a 5w-20 synthetic.
As far as I am concerned, these two men are my primary source for reliable information about my car. The Honda dealership is only interested in lightening my wallet. And their "techs" weren't even aware that a small filter was already in place on my CR-V. Not confidence inspiring!
Glen
I've had the same thought in my mind regarding a drain and refill every 10,000 miles. Actually, the CR-V transmission pan holds roughly 3 quarts of ATF. So drining and filling the pan 3 times in 30,000 would constitute a complete change.
Also, I am fortunate in that we have a small, local garage where two former Honda Techs started doing business some 15 years ago. These two gentlemen are excellent, trained mechanics who service what needs servicing and TELL YOU to leave the rest alone. Anyway, they recommend and do a very simple flush every 30,000 miles by starting the car, putting it in "drive" with the parking brake on, letting the old oil run into a 5 gallon pail, while simultaneously filling the transmission from the "dip stick" hole. This seems to work great. Apparently doesn't harm the transmission. And was a widely used technique until the more elaborate "flushing equipment" became common.
By the way, these gentlemen also strongly encourage the use of Honda fluids, except for the engine oil, where they are perfectly comfortable using a 5w-20 synthetic.
As far as I am concerned, these two men are my primary source for reliable information about my car. The Honda dealership is only interested in lightening my wallet. And their "techs" weren't even aware that a small filter was already in place on my CR-V. Not confidence inspiring!
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My comment 99 was that regardless of who you buy it from, Jegs or Summit, the "service fee" is standard whether you're buying one single permacool part ..or anything of any $$ amount that UPS can deliver (up to 80lb if not oversized). Effectively the shipping is buffered into any amount that makes the handling charge meaningless. This is actually a "anti-small order charge".
Jegs: A $9.99 handling charge will be added to each order
Summit: Domestic orders will be charged $8.95
For a $0-$infinite item that weighs below a certain amount ...surely that would be called flat rate "S&H" for thousands of other vendors.
It turns a $35.99 (Jegs) into a $45.98 aux filter setup (permacool)
It turns a $35.88 (Summit) into a $44.83 (also Permacool)
Don't think that those prices are "fixed". If you've got an item for item list you can bid each of these sources against each other. The published prices are merely what Jeg's and Summit are obligated to advertise at. They may sell at any price they choose. Naturally, if you're doing a $100 order ..they'll tell you to pound sand ..but if you actually have a decent sized order they will yield on price rather then let the other get the business.
Jegs: A $9.99 handling charge will be added to each order
Summit: Domestic orders will be charged $8.95
For a $0-$infinite item that weighs below a certain amount ...surely that would be called flat rate "S&H" for thousands of other vendors.
It turns a $35.99 (Jegs) into a $45.98 aux filter setup (permacool)
It turns a $35.88 (Summit) into a $44.83 (also Permacool)
olefam, Hyundai has the same thing with their tranny fluid, dealer only item and no aftermarket equivelant, and it is about $6/qt.
Shaman, My service writer said no problem with the tranny cooler so long as it was installed after the one in the radiator, and I am going to talk to him about the filter in a few weeks when I get my tranny flush done.
Equus on EGT has said it should be no problem with the filter, but you never know with some dealers. If worse comes to worse, I will put the filter on and take it off when I go in for service.
Shaman, My service writer said no problem with the tranny cooler so long as it was installed after the one in the radiator, and I am going to talk to him about the filter in a few weeks when I get my tranny flush done.
Equus on EGT has said it should be no problem with the filter, but you never know with some dealers. If worse comes to worse, I will put the filter on and take it off when I go in for service.
I think that something in writing would go a long way in this case, especially with all of the what I would call nit-picking going on with warranty stuf in regards to Hyundai.
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I would imagine that if you had the dealer install the cooler, especially if the part was OEM on another model, that they would have a very hard time in any warranty situation with denying the claim. Naturally this would run you a bit more (quite a bit more) then doing it yourself.
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