I always liked Valvoline max -life
And valvolive atf-4
What is everyones opinion?
And valvolive atf-4
What is everyones opinion?
ATF Which IsThe Best Dexron 3/Mercon & ATF+4 ?
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ATF+4 is all about the same from what i hear about their rigorous certification program.
I have heard that Maxlife dex/merc is a favorite here.
You could probably do better but the question is how much do you want to spend? Amsoil makes some nice fluids for a higher premium.
I have heard that Maxlife dex/merc is a favorite here.
You could probably do better but the question is how much do you want to spend? Amsoil makes some nice fluids for a higher premium.
i am looking for something easy to get and not something at a crazy price.
i have a leak in the 1996 grand voyager and have to keep adding i use valvoline and have 158,000 on a chrysler transmission and it is still going strong has hard shift from 1st to 2nd until it is totally warmed up.
I wonder if say super tech is the same at a better price?
i have a leak in the 1996 grand voyager and have to keep adding i use valvoline and have 158,000 on a chrysler transmission and it is still going strong has hard shift from 1st to 2nd until it is totally warmed up.
I wonder if say super tech is the same at a better price?
A 1996 Grand Voyager will have a 31TH or a 41TE transmission.
These transmissions are designed for ATF+3 or ATF+4, not Dexron, Mercon, or anything else.
ATF+4 is the ONLY fluid you should be using so as to not cause further problems with the transmission from using an incorrect fluid.
There is ZERO arguement of "whats better". Whats better is what your transmission is designed for which is ATF+4.
Any other fluid could (can (and has for many people!)) caused transmission wear and shifting issues, especially in a 41TE. Get the cheapest ATF+4 you can find.
Do not be duped by supposed "universal" fluids.
These transmissions are designed for ATF+3 or ATF+4, not Dexron, Mercon, or anything else.
ATF+4 is the ONLY fluid you should be using so as to not cause further problems with the transmission from using an incorrect fluid.
There is ZERO arguement of "whats better". Whats better is what your transmission is designed for which is ATF+4.
Any other fluid could (can (and has for many people!)) caused transmission wear and shifting issues, especially in a 41TE. Get the cheapest ATF+4 you can find.
Do not be duped by supposed "universal" fluids.
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Originally Posted By: RiceCake
A 1996 Grand Voyager will have a 31TH or a 41TE transmission.
These transmissions are designed for ATF+3 or ATF+4, not Dexron, Mercon, or anything else.
ATF+4 is the ONLY fluid you should be using so as to not cause further problems with the transmission from using an incorrect fluid.
There is ZERO arguement of "whats better". Whats better is what your transmission is designed for which is ATF+4.
Any other fluid could (can (and has for many people!)) caused transmission wear and shifting issues, especially in a 41TE. Get the cheapest ATF+4 you can find.
Do not be duped by supposed "universal" fluids.
Originally Posted By: RiceCake
A 1996 Grand Voyager will have a 31TH or a 41TE transmission.
These transmissions are designed for ATF+3 or ATF+4, not Dexron, Mercon, or anything else.
ATF+4 is the ONLY fluid you should be using so as to not cause further problems with the transmission from using an incorrect fluid.
There is ZERO arguement of "whats better". Whats better is what your transmission is designed for which is ATF+4.
Any other fluid could (can (and has for many people!)) caused transmission wear and shifting issues, especially in a 41TE. Get the cheapest ATF+4 you can find.
Do not be duped by supposed "universal" fluids.
ATF+4 ONLY is the best advice. Supertech is the best price available as far as i know. I use the Supertech Dex VI and wouldn't hesitate to save money on the ATF+4 if i had a Chrysler.
I originally thought you were just asking individually about each fluid, but now that we know what vehicle your intending to work on its much easier to recommend the proper ATF+4.
I originally thought you were just asking individually about each fluid, but now that we know what vehicle your intending to work on its much easier to recommend the proper ATF+4.
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+2 I totally agree on "universal" fluids. If they were really that great there would just be one fluid used by everybody. Ain't the case.
Originally Posted By: Darren270
I think the OP was asking who makes the best (brand), not which (type) is the best.
Thats what i thought too until i read his post #3 and he mentions owning a Chrysler in which case he shouldn't be using dex/merc in it even if it has a leak. The front wheel drive Chryslers are the pickiest of the bunch, and while i have heard of people using Maxlife Dex/Merc in a RWD Dodge pickup, i wouldn't risk it with as cheap as the Supertech ATF+4 is.
On the other hand if hes asking about dex/merc for another vehicle than his Chrysler then we might need more info from the oP.
I think the OP was asking who makes the best (brand), not which (type) is the best.
Thats what i thought too until i read his post #3 and he mentions owning a Chrysler in which case he shouldn't be using dex/merc in it even if it has a leak. The front wheel drive Chryslers are the pickiest of the bunch, and while i have heard of people using Maxlife Dex/Merc in a RWD Dodge pickup, i wouldn't risk it with as cheap as the Supertech ATF+4 is.
On the other hand if hes asking about dex/merc for another vehicle than his Chrysler then we might need more info from the oP.
ALL ATF+4 is the same!
Chrysler is such a control freak about this stuff. It's not just performance specs. Chrysler goes further and not only requires specific ingredients, they even specify the suppliers of those ingredients. A specific group III oil from either Shell, Petro-Canada, or SK. The only permitted add pack is from Lubrizol.
So whether you get Mopar from the dealer, or cheap Walmart ATF+4, it's all the same.
Avoid Redline C+ because it's NOT licensed ATF+4, and they engage in childish price fixing.
Chrysler is such a control freak about this stuff. It's not just performance specs. Chrysler goes further and not only requires specific ingredients, they even specify the suppliers of those ingredients. A specific group III oil from either Shell, Petro-Canada, or SK. The only permitted add pack is from Lubrizol.
So whether you get Mopar from the dealer, or cheap Walmart ATF+4, it's all the same.
Avoid Redline C+ because it's NOT licensed ATF+4, and they engage in childish price fixing.
i use the atf-4 valvoline in all the chryslers and max life dexron 3/mercon in the gm's
The fords get mercon 5
My old 900 turbo saab gets castrol type f
The fords get mercon 5
My old 900 turbo saab gets castrol type f
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Avoid Redline C+ because it's NOT licensed ATF+4, and they engage in childish price fixing.
C'mon now tommy, they fix their own prices because of their components and the fact they are a private company. There is no Redline or Amsoil conspiracy to price fixing.
Avoid Redline C+ because it's NOT licensed ATF+4, and they engage in childish price fixing.
C'mon now tommy, they fix their own prices because of their components and the fact they are a private company. There is no Redline or Amsoil conspiracy to price fixing.
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
C'mon now tommy, they fix their own prices because of their components and the fact they are a private company. There is no Redline or Amsoil conspiracy to price fixing.
Yes there is. Redline oil's prices are the exact same EVERYWHERE. That doesn't take place without price fixing going on. Apple does the same thing, requiring all sellers to sell it at the assigned price.
I did not accuse Amsoil of price fixing. In fact, they actually have variations in pricing.
C'mon now tommy, they fix their own prices because of their components and the fact they are a private company. There is no Redline or Amsoil conspiracy to price fixing.
Yes there is. Redline oil's prices are the exact same EVERYWHERE. That doesn't take place without price fixing going on. Apple does the same thing, requiring all sellers to sell it at the assigned price.
I did not accuse Amsoil of price fixing. In fact, they actually have variations in pricing.
MolaKule
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No it is not price fixing:
Economics 101 and the FTC defines price fixing as:
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an agreement among competitors that raises, lowers, or stabilizes prices or competitive terms
There is a suggested Retail price. If anyone who is a Redline dealer wants to sell below the suggested price, he can do so. However, most dealers want to make a profit.
Economics 101 and the FTC defines price fixing as:
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an agreement among competitors that raises, lowers, or stabilizes prices or competitive terms
There is a suggested Retail price. If anyone who is a Redline dealer wants to sell below the suggested price, he can do so. However, most dealers want to make a profit.
Originally Posted By: Whitewolf
Originally Posted By: RiceCake
Do not be duped by supposed "universal" fluids.
Correct 100%.
+ eleventy billion...
The transmission is a super expensive repair when it fails and if it fails it might cause you to scrap a otherwise perfectly good vehicle.
Don't risk it with this nonsense.
Same goes for Honda vehicles which have a very different design for their automatic unit.
If you want to play roulette with your ride you've been warned.
USE THE SPECIFIC FLUID THAT YOUR MANUFACTURER SPECIFIES!
Originally Posted By: RiceCake
Do not be duped by supposed "universal" fluids.
Correct 100%.
+ eleventy billion...
The transmission is a super expensive repair when it fails and if it fails it might cause you to scrap a otherwise perfectly good vehicle.
Don't risk it with this nonsense.
Same goes for Honda vehicles which have a very different design for their automatic unit.
If you want to play roulette with your ride you've been warned.
USE THE SPECIFIC FLUID THAT YOUR MANUFACTURER SPECIFIES!
price fixed or not i wont use those oils so it does not impact me.
Originally Posted By: tommygunn
Redline oil's prices are the exact same EVERYWHERE. That doesn't take place without price fixing going on.
If you're referring to the standard $10.95/quart price for most of their oil, for example, then you'd be wrong. I can walk into the local parts house and buy it over the counter for $9.50/quart any day that they're open, no limit. Last year, it was $8.95. Unless they are breaking some Redline rule, then there's no price fixing going on.
Redline oil's prices are the exact same EVERYWHERE. That doesn't take place without price fixing going on.
If you're referring to the standard $10.95/quart price for most of their oil, for example, then you'd be wrong. I can walk into the local parts house and buy it over the counter for $9.50/quart any day that they're open, no limit. Last year, it was $8.95. Unless they are breaking some Redline rule, then there's no price fixing going on.
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