ARx-Not Convinced What is the def. of snakeoil?

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I would have liked to see if the thread starter actually did the whole cleaning and rinse cycle?
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Peak Master,
so what was the actual diagnosis, so that we can add it to the "AutoRX doesn't fix this" list ?
 
Please define "sticky lifter" or "actual valve sticking"......(sorta what Shannow is asking)

I heard the above "diagnosis" used for a LOT of maladies that turned out to have little or nothing to do with the valve train.
 
Could it be that AutoRX doesn't work like a clock, as soon as you hit 1,500 miles your cleaning cycle is over. Same goes for rinse. Someone reported that only after 4000 miles into the rinse cycle did he notice oil consumption stopping.

Does that mean the cycles in miles is only a guideline and one should consider going maybe twice the recommended interval if one was patient enough?

Also, does it matter if one was to use Valvoline MaxLife and other high-mileage dino oils during AutoRX treatments? Would that affect the cleaning process in any way?
 
Peak, show me a oil analysis before and after or any history on that engine and we can pin down the issue.
Have you had the engine examined or diagnosed for the noise issue ?


JHZR2, did I interpret that analysis for you or did you come to the determination on your own ? Specifically that RX raised elemental wear values during cleaning ?

I just have not seen that in analysis. If I saw RX raising wear during cleaning I would NOT recommend its use, period.

As a chemist you understand that ester chemistry can be custom designed to clean/disperse (auto-rx) vs. lubricate ( redline) ?
 
Not taking sides here, but does the original poster actually know what is causing the problem? Lifters collapse, lash adjusters loosen,rocker arm nuts back off and the list goes on. Not all miscellaneous engine noises are caused by collapsed/varnished/dirty lifters and sticking valves. Expecting any engine treatment/cleaner to absolutely fix a problem is asking a lot, too much in my book.
 
I don't get it. Why can't this guy post a negative opinion about a product he tried and it did not work as he was led to believe? Why is everyone so defensive about the AutoRx? I mean honestly, if it were all that it is cracked up to be then wouldn't it be mass marketed and have financial backing and be available at WalMart,Pep Boys, Advance,AZ etc...?
The guy has a differing opinion and right away he
"lacks intestinal fortitude" is a "loud mouth impatient kid". How many people on this forum are on the AutoRx payroll?

I joined to get solid info. and guidance. There are two sides to every story and not every product works despite who sponsors it.

Maybe the guy had an intermittently ticking valve or lifter and read here that the AutoRx was a good solution and gave it a try. He then was kind enough to share his results...but not what many here wanted to read.
 
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Originally posted by Toros:
I don't get it. Why can't this guy post a negative opinion about a product he tried and it did not work as he was led to believe? Why is everyone so defensive about the AutoRx? I mean honestly, if it were all that it is cracked up to be then wouldn't it be mass marketed and have financial backing and be available at WalMart,Pep Boys, Advance,AZ etc...?
The guy has a differing opinion and right away he
"lacks intestinal fortitude" is a "loud mouth impatient kid". How many people on this forum are on the AutoRx payroll?

I joined to get solid info. and guidance. There are two sides to every story and not every product works despite who sponsors it.

Maybe the guy had an intermittently ticking valve or lifter and read here that the AutoRx was a good solution and gave it a try. He then was kind enough to share his results...but not what many here wanted to read.
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I think you are missing the point. The guy says AutoRX doesn't work, thats fine. However, the problem must be identified and fixed before that conclusion can be reached. If the problem was a mechanical failure, there is no claim that AutoRX would fix that. If it was found that a lifter were varnished up and AutoRX did not clean it, then AutoRX failed.

He can always go back and get a full refund no matter what the real problem was.
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Originally posted by Toros:
I don't get it. Why can't this guy post a negative opinion about a product he tried and it did not work as he was led to believe? Why is everyone so defensive about the AutoRx? I mean honestly, if it were all that it is cracked up to be then wouldn't it be mass marketed and have financial backing and be available at WalMart,Pep Boys, Advance,AZ etc...?
The guy has a differing opinion and right away he
"lacks intestinal fortitude" is a "loud mouth impatient kid". How many people on this forum are on the AutoRx payroll?

I joined to get solid info. and guidance. There are two sides to every story and not every product works despite who sponsors it.

Maybe the guy had an intermittently ticking valve or lifter and read here that the AutoRx was a good solution and gave it a try. He then was kind enough to share his results...but not what many here wanted to read.
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Let's see. He says in his original post that he has followed the directions precisely. This would mean at least a 1500mile rinse cycle before seeing the full effects of the product. In another post (see the link in someone else's post above) about 3 or 4 days ago, he says he just started the rinse cycle. So, unless he put 1500miles on in 3 days, he can't really state that he followed the directions precisely and offer up the opinion that the stuff is snake oil. This is probably where the 'impatient kid' comment originated. He even states in his post that the Auto-Rx did nothing in the clean phase. Do even a minimal amount of research here at BITOG and you'll find that Auto-Rx does it's work in the rinse cycle.

As for 'sharing results', it's a long stretch to consider calling a product 'snake oil' and saying one gets 'gouged' on shipping to be any sort of sharing of results. More like voicing an uninformed opinion.

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Toros - First things first,
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to the BITOG forum.

Now in response to your post, the author of this thread is catching flak for the negative manner in which he expressed his opinions/observations about the Auto-Rx product.


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Originally posted by Toros:
How many people on this forum are on the AutoRx payroll?
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...You are simply way out of bounds with this statement, nothing could be farther from the actual truth.

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Originally posted by Toros:

He then was kind enough to share his results...but not what many here wanted to read.
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Listen, I don't know how you define "kindly" or "sharing", but my advice is to not use the terms "snakeoil", "redneck" or "sucker", if you are indeed trying to be open & honest.

Plain & simple, if a member wishes to openly share the results of using any product we discuss/debate on this forum, do it in a manner which is not thinly disguised "bashing".
 
Hmmm...
He sez: "Not Convinced"
They sez: "Just another loud-mouth kid who lacks patience..."
They sez: "what century were you brought up in?"
They sez: "I've noticed that the original poster didn't have the intestinal fortitude to come back and answer the questions that were asked"
They sez: "Just another loud-mouth kid who lacks patience... Agreed"
They sez: "More like voicing an uninformed opinion"
They sez: "Exactly, this guy is sounding like an overreactive kid. No patience whatsoever."

Yikes! Now please understand that I am NOT against Auto-RX in any way, shape or form. I have three bottles of it in my garage right now but...

A forum can't be helpful if everyone that expresses a differing opinion gets jumped and insulted. When that does happen it really does start to sound like an "infomercial".

C'mon guys, I think that we are all bigger than that.

Steve
 
How about this...

He sez...."Now I would not expect the bottle of AutoRx which cost me approx. $18.00 plus $5.00(which is gouging for S&H by anyones measure)to fix a sticky valve. It has done nothing. I think it to be considered a candidate for the snakeoil classification.

He sez...."If you plunk down $25 for a teeny weeny bottle of goop, it must work right??? Redneck logic at it's zenith."

YOU SEZ..."A forum can't be helpful if everyone that expresses a differing opinion gets jumped and insulted. When that does happen it really does start to sound like an "infomercial".

I say...I think most of the insulting that was done here was by the original poster. Nowhere do I see him expressing a differing opinion - I only see him slamming Auto-Rx without having fully tested the product.

In fact, right in his post he states that "I would not expect the bottle of AutoRx to fix a sticky valve". So now I'm even more confused. If he didn't expect the sticky valve to be fixed, what exactly is he complaining about?
 
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Originally posted by Peak Master:
I have followed the use directions precisely. I had a sticky lifter or an actual valve sticking. Now I would not expect the bottle of AutoRx which cost me approx. $18.00 plus $5.00(which is gouging for S&H by anyones measure)to fix a sticky valve. It has done nothing. I think it to be considered a candidate for the snakeoil classification.
I think many of you convince yourselves that this stuff works. Yeah, so does STP right??
If you plunk down $25 for a teeny weeny bottle of goop, it must work right??? Redneck logic at it's zenith.

I'll not make this guy another nickel richer.
As P.T.Barnum once said,"There is a sucker born every minute."
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HE WILL NEVER EVER FREE HIS STICKING LIFTER ..... IT HAS AN OVER HEAD CAM!
 
I have seen more exhaust leaks called sticky lifters than I have actually seen sticky lifters. As was said further up before AutoRX can be blamed for not fixing something the cause has to be found and determined to be something AutoRX claims to be able to fix.
 
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