Apple demands triple damages - 3billion

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Who now would like to defend apple and try to tell anyone they are not simply being greedy, arrogant words that cannot be said on here. THREE BILLION DOLLARS they are demanding. 3 BILLION. That is nothing short of outrageously arrogant and greedy. I can't imagine this judge is going to do anything except laugh in their face and throw the whole thing out.
 
I'm so sick of hearing about the fruit company and their greed antics. I'll NEVER buy any of their products and never have in the past.


Apple......F U.
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On one forum, maybe even here, when the award was announced, someone said Samsung was smart and got away cheap. A huge chunk of the market for a small sum (per market share point), jumping ahead of Nokia and blackberry for only 1 billion.

If you look at it from that point of view, even 3 is cheap.
 
Right from your article:

"Currently, Samsung outsells Apple's smartphones 2-to-1 globally."

Then digging a bit more:

SMSN: Market Cap (M USD) 173,665.88
AAPL: Market Cap (M USD) 658,152.75

These are both big companies... Apple total revenue after five years on iphone is around $150B. Per this article:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57461578-37/five-years-later-iphone-revenue-hits-$150-billion/

The Galaxy S3 wholesale price is about $400 when properly negotiated, versus $600 for an iphone, from the same article.

So let's think about it a bit. Apple makes $150B on $600 iphones. That's about 250M phones. Now, Samsung has twice the market share, so they have moved about 500M phones in the same five years. The S3 is a $400 phone, so that comes to $200B. While samsung does move lower end phones, their total revenue is going to be between $100B-$200B practically speaking.

So is $1 or 3B going to break the bank or make any real difference on a $173B company that has moved $100-200B worth of phones in the last 5 years?

And since when are you the expert on what a fair valuation is? Ill bet the lawyers cost a HUGE fraction of the total settlement at the end of the day, alone.

Im not saying that it is good or bad, or if it is pure greed, or a precedent or other basis. I dont know, nor does anyone else adding their 2c to this. The best we have is numbers, which I have provided from cited courses. Any commentary is just speciulation, knee-jerk reaction, and hearsay unless it comes with a basis. So hate on all you want, if it makes you feel good. Im not doing apologetics for apple or saying that any settlement is right... But usually settlements are gouged and it is the doing of the lawyers, the free ability that the court allows, and that isnt unique here by any stretch. its a function of the system... And either amount isnt an amount of dollars that would make either entity leave the business, nor damage them in the big picture of revenue generating capability.
 
My opinion of Apple continues to drop. This is getting ridiculous.

After finishing the Jobs biography I can say that he would have called shenanigans on this long ago. He wanted Android gone, but not in a way that gives his company a black eye.
 
I'm going to take all my music off of my iPod and smash it to bits. Apple is now officially worse than Microsoft was in the '90s.
 
All valid points; however, Steve Jobs and Apple have made it clear they want to sue the competition out of the marketplace. For that reason alone, I would've have any Apple products if someone gave them to me. They want Android gone.

http://www.dailytech.com/Steve+Jobs+Im+G...rticle23077.htm

It would be like one automaker suing another automaker because both cars are square and have doors that open.

Apple and Android phones might have similar ways to zoom in and such, but they are vastly different when using them.

Apple's just mad that they won't have Google Maps on their phones. That's a deal breaker for many people and they know it.
 
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http://www.infoworld.com/d/open-source-s...ll-along-202299


This article sheds some real light on how and why the patent office is totally inept.

What bothers me about this patent is that Apple did not patent the touchscreen, nor the use of touchscreens on mobile phones, nor the mobile phone without any buttons. So given the universal need to lock a touchscreen-equipped smartphone to prevent butt-dialing, how is a non-Apple manufacturer of a touchscreen-only smartphone supposed to implement locking and unlocking? I am obviously not an expert on patent law, but I don't understand how you can file a patent on basically the only way to solve a specific problem.
 
The real problem is existing patent law and Apple is just playing the game as is just like Microsoft, Oracle and Samsung play it. Can't really blame them for being better at it. And to be honest, Samsung is a fairly blatant copier. Look at early versions of the Galaxy S. Even Google warned them and they didn't listen. I own a Samsung phone so I am not being a fanboy about this.

They need to cleanup patent law because these lawsuits are hurting consumers
 
Go Apple! I hope you get it. When you have an exec saying "make it more like the iPhone" and Google warning them that it looks too much like an iPhone they knew EXACTLY what they were doing. And that is copying Apple's software and hardware designs.

Those that have original designs need to have them protected and the software stuff Apple won on was unique and new at the time. I will continue to support Apple and urge others to do the same. And if you are saying I'm an Apple Fanboi, consider this. If someone were to rip off Windows Phone's UI and Microsoft sued them, I would support Microsoft too.

I'd also love to see peoples thoughts on this very similar case:
http://www.latinospost.com/articles/3713...soled-shoes.htm
 
Originally Posted By: dparm
. So given the universal need to lock a touchscreen-equipped smartphone to prevent butt-dialing, how is a non-Apple manufacturer of a touchscreen-only smartphone supposed to implement locking and unlocking? I am obviously not an expert on patent law, but I don't understand how you can file a patent on basically the only way to solve a specific problem.


Here are 2:

1. Androids pattern is an interesting and unique solution.
2. A pattern of button presses, say home and the power button. Just like we used to do. Heck, to reboot an iOS device it's hold home and power.

Laziness is no excuse to copy.
 
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Originally Posted By: Brons2
I'm going to take all my music off of my iPod and smash it to bits.


Please don't; send it to me instead. I'll pay the shipping!
 
Originally Posted By: Nick R
Originally Posted By: rshaw125
Good maybe I'll be getting a nice dividend.


Obvious troll post is obvious.


...Says the guy who trolls the internet for negative news on a company he loves to hate and promptly posts it on a message board known for polarized opinions on said company.
 
Originally Posted By: itguy08
Originally Posted By: dparm
. So given the universal need to lock a touchscreen-equipped smartphone to prevent butt-dialing, how is a non-Apple manufacturer of a touchscreen-only smartphone supposed to implement locking and unlocking? I am obviously not an expert on patent law, but I don't understand how you can file a patent on basically the only way to solve a specific problem.


Here are 2:

1. Androids pattern is an interesting and unique solution.
2. A pattern of button presses, say home and the power button. Just like we used to do. Heck, to reboot an iOS device it's hold home and power.

Laziness is no excuse to copy.



The pattern is just a variation on the same concept of swiping to unlock.
 
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT

Apple's just mad that they won't have Google Maps on their phones. That's a deal breaker for many people and they know it.


Really???!? Because with iOs 6 coming, I was reading quite a bit about this, and it appears that Apple dropped Google, not the other way around.

And Apple's support of these apps (maps, youtube) has been historically weak...

I think it is actually a win-win, if it allows google to implement a downloadable app that is really top-notch mapping, and a better youtube app as well...

Now if Apple doesnt allow Google to provide apps on the itunes network, that would be a horrible thing that I would be annoyed about.

But having two competing map technologies and an easier conduit for google to develop and deliver a map app? That's a good thing.
 
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