Anyone familiar with this miracle engine saver?

[wantin150]

I'm curious as to whether or not anyone has had experience with this product or have an VOA's, UOA's after using it. No, I'm not going to buy it as it sounds too much like Duralube and Prolong.

http://www.gas-miser.com/index.php

 

[peterr]

Never heard of it but the story sounds more like Zmax. The aviation origins, the "metal treatment" angle...

Probably harmless, but nothing is going to improve fuel economy by 8mpg, and the description of power loss due to friction is ummm, shall we say lacking some sophistication.

 

[Trav]

After reading the so called installation instructions i personally would avoid this like product,comment like..
"Shake-up the Microlon products thoroughly before adding them to the engine and the fuel. The
Microlon resin is held in suspension only after being shaken up from the bottom of the can."And..
"If you are not comfortable doing this while your engine is running, turn it off while installing it.
Once you add the Microlon liquid into the oil-filler opening, immediately restart your engine.
If your engine is running during this installation (this is best) use the injector bottle included
with the kit to add Microlon fluid through the dipstick opening instead of the oil-filler tube."Lead me to believe this is something like the thick Teflon junk that settled in the bottom of the bottle marketed 20 yrs ago that plugged oil filters and every other small opening.IMO this should be called snake oil classic.

 

[Kestas]

The first thing I do is look for the MSDS. This web site has no link to any MSDS.

 

[wantin150]

I have an e-mail in to them requesting the MSDS. I'll see if they actually respond.

 

[Tempest]

Microlon Home Site The Gas Miser place must be a reseller.
MSDS List

How it works

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The Microlon film has one of the lowest coefficients of friction of any material known to man, yet it is chemically inert and will not burn out, gum up or adversely effect anything in your engine.

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Sounds a whole lot like PTFE in a resin/epoxy binder. I have heard that the only way to get this stuff off once it has set up is to mill/grind the metal surface. They sell this #@$%! to the gun community which is where I first heard of it. I won't get my guns within 10' of the stuff, much less my engine.

The 98% VOC shows that most of what one is buying is solvent. The Trimethyl Benzene is fun stuff, too.

 

[wantin150]

Here is the response (blank lines deleted):

"Yes. Of course we have one. But an MSDS is not really meant as a consumer document. It’s more for people, such as our factory employees, who might work with it every day.

Can I ask what you need to know about it? And the reason you are requesting it. It’s certainly not a secret. Yours is just the first time I recall an inquiry about the MSDS, so it’s a very unusual inquiry.

Are you planning to purchase a Microlon product? If so, you need not be concerned about its hazmat issue. It’s freely and daily sent by UPS and other shippers without question.

Please let me know. This is a somewhat internal document."



I haven't responded yet but I think I know what the answer will be, at least from this source.

Tempest,

Thanks for the info. I was curious as it is getting a little hype on another board.

 

[benjamming]

Internal document? Yeah, sure. This is not a company you want to deal with.

 

[Vilan]

Well, in fairness, they're right. The point of an MSDS is right there in the name, Material Safety Data Sheet. It points out what's dangerous about the product and how to handle it. It has to mention what the hazardous things in it are, but they don't want their competition to steal their exact recipe so they're usually vague about the ingredients, as anyone who's spent time trying to figure out what an oil is made of from the MSDS can tell you. So I'm not sure that you'll learn much anyway.

Strange though that nobody has tried it on them yet. They must be used to gullib... er, trusting customers.

 

[GMorg]

My understanding is that the manufacturer must, by US law, provide an MSDS on request to anyone that purchases the product or is required to work with the product. Safety data are not internal!

 

[Kestas]

Our company subscribes to the environmental and safety requirements (18001?) most companies now practise. I handle our lab. At our facility we MUST have MSDS on everything we use, including superglue or anything we may bring from home. Interestingly, nearly all MSDS info I need is readily availble on the internet for downloading... so readily available that I'd say this is the norm, and the response you got is the exception.

In a mild way, the Gas-Miser rep is trying to berate you. They should have simply sent you the MSDS instead of making you jump through hoops and having you explain yourself. You could mention the comments from myself, Vilan, and GMorg to let them know where they stand on this... and berate them back (in a mild way). You could always say your company requires it.

 

[Johnny]

You have to realize this fellow has a website business out of his home. If you were to order from him, it would come direct from the company. He does not stock much product, if any. After reading this forum I decide to send him an email to see what he would recommend. I asked him what products he would recommend to treat my three Honda Elements. After three paragraphs of explaining how to install the product, he told me my Honda motorcycles would really perform after installation. Needless to say, I did not respond.

 

[wantin150]

I responded to him and let him know that the MSDS was available on the company website. He responded with a "I was just going to let you know..." kind of e-mail, along with a plug and a 10% cheaper than MFG costs kind of thing. One thing I noticed in the MSDS was the "Stoddard Solvent" which, if I'm not mistaken, can also be found in WD-40. I'm sure it is widely used but that product first came to mind.

 

[nooil]

Sounds to me like a gimmick. I just found a device you put on your engine that will save half of your gas. Bought two of them so I could save all of my gas.

 

[Tempest]

Stoddard solvent is used in a great many Things. And yes, it is used in WD-40 for ~ half the product: WD-40 MSDS, first one on the list.

The responses from the vendor do not surprise me.

 

[Shannow]

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Sounds to me like a gimmick. I just found a device you put on your engine that will save half of your gas. Bought two of them so I could save all of my gas.

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nooil, better off with three.

Just be careful tha tyou time your trips so that there are some service stations to sell to before the tank overflows.