Another Great Dealer Experience

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On my friend's 06 Prius that I have been working on, I just this week, noticed a light build up of pink coolant residue on the inside of the ICE water pump pulley. I assumed that this was due to a coolant leak from the weep hole, which points to an impending water pump failure.

Despite not having an appointment, I took the car to my local Toyota dealership this morning. I told the service advisor what the issue was and he had their master technician (27 yrs of experience) look at the car. I was in the service drive at 7:30, the car was in the bay at 8, and the tech had the water pump repair completed at 8:45. I was out of there just after 9am, which was incredible for a Saturday morning. I also spoke to the tech while he was finishing up the job and he showed me an easy way to bleed the cooling system that I was not aware of.

Overall, it was a great repair experience. The dealer took care of the problem promptly and without any hassle. I was pleasantly surprised that the advisor did not give me the runaround, and simply took my word for it. Since this was a previously certified pre-owned car, the extended powertrain warranty picked up the cost except for a $50 deductible. Unfortunately, if it had been a customer pay repair, the cost would have been $520! It is quite disappointing that a new water pump is needed at 85k, but I am glad that I noticed the leak and was able to have it repaired before the warranty expired. If the car had not been under warranty, I would have bought the OE pump for $100 and had done the job myself.

Overall, I was quite impressed with how well the dealer handled this repair since the leak was so minor. I was expecting to have needed to authorize 1 hr of labor as diagnostic since the car was out of factory warranty, but that was not the case. However, I am not happy that Toyota is having so many issues with their engine water pumps on a variety of their models, not just the Prius.
 
I imagine that gmb is still the oem water pump for toyota. They have had the account for as long as denso has had the spark plug account. Toyota probably owns a large share of the company so I am surprised too. Kinda like G.M. and delco or Ford and Motorcraft.
 
the fact that you noticed coolant in the water pump weep hole, the service advisor knew that you know something about cars, and you wouldn't take a lame answer. if a girl took the car in, I bet the roundabout and tricks would have happened. maybe a price gouging too
 
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Holy Smokes!! In the bay at 8 am and job completed at 8:45. So for 45 minutes of work they get $520? That's $693.xx per hour.

And I thought bananas had gotten pricey!!
 
Originally Posted By: FowVay
Holy Smokes!! In the bay at 8 am and job completed at 8:45. So for 45 minutes of work they get $520? That's $693.xx per hour.

And I thought bananas had gotten pricey!!


Must be a typo,,,45 min. waterpump changeout,,well I wont say it cant be done, so Im open for more info.
 
Originally Posted By: CourierDriver
FowVay said:
Must be a typo,,,45 min. waterpump changeout,,well I wont say it cant be done, so Im open for more info.


Its quite possible. I've seen some water pumps which you could literally do in about 15 minutes. They are the exception, not the rule, unfortunately.
 
Originally Posted By: Cutehumor
the fact that you noticed coolant in the water pump weep hole, the service advisor knew that you know something about cars, and you wouldn't take a lame answer. if a girl took the car in, I bet the roundabout and tricks would have happened. maybe a price gouging too


X2. Knowing the vehicle and knowing what's wrong helps you out. When the cam synchronizer in my truck started making noise, I knew right away what was going on. It was the middle of winter and I lived in an apartment, so I took it to the dealer and told them my diagnosis. I was driving home with no more screeching from the truck in less than an hour and no upselling.
 
knowing something about the vehicle before going in helps out a ton. how many people know what a water pump weep hole is?
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Originally Posted By: FowVay
Holy Smokes!! In the bay at 8 am and job completed at 8:45. So for 45 minutes of work they get $520? That's $693.xx per hour.

And I thought bananas had gotten pricey!!


You're not taking into account the cost of the water pump itself. I'm sure the labor charge wasn't $520.
 
Well, water pump lists for around $93. That's still a lot of coin for 45 minutes of work.
 
Originally Posted By: css9450
Originally Posted By: CourierDriver
FowVay said:
Must be a typo,,,45 min. waterpump changeout,,well I wont say it cant be done, so Im open for more info.


Its quite possible. I've seen some water pumps which you could literally do in about 15 minutes. They are the exception, not the rule, unfortunately.


This particular water pump was driven by the serpentine belt. The job was rather simple-- remove front tire, inner splash guard, water pump pulley, drain radiator, remove water pump, then put everything back together. I've done one of these in under an hr so I'm sure a master tech who sees these cars on a regular basis can do it faster. I did see the old water pump so I know it was replaced.

Originally Posted By: FowVay
Well, water pump lists for around $93. That's still a lot of coin for 45 minutes of work.


Gotta love flat rate. I did not ask for the breakdown of $520 but that does seem rather high. I know their labor rate is $125/hr which is fairly average in this area.
 
Well at $125 figure 3 hours of labor, that puts you at $375.
Then the pump lists for $93, but I bet they use matrix pricing so figure $100-$125. Plus a gallon of coolant at about $25. So there you go. That of course isn't including sales tax on the parts and the coolant disposal.
 
Originally Posted By: The Critic
I was in the service drive at 7:30, the car was in the bay at 8, and the tech had the water pump repair completed at 8:45. I was out of there just after 9am

The repair time was only 45 minutes, the labor charge should be 1 hour. 3 hours labor for 45 minutes work is overcharged by any standard.
 
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Originally Posted By: The Critic
I was in the service drive at 7:30, the car was in the bay at 8, and the tech had the water pump repair completed at 8:45. I was out of there just after 9am

The repair time was only 45 minutes, the labor charge should be 1 hour. 3 hours labor for 45 minutes work is overcharged by any standard.


It's flat rate time. If the tech is fast and can do the job in a fraction of the time, why shouldn't he be rewarded?
 
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Originally Posted By: The Critic
I was in the service drive at 7:30, the car was in the bay at 8, and the tech had the water pump repair completed at 8:45. I was out of there just after 9am

The repair time was only 45 minutes, the labor charge should be 1 hour. 3 hours labor for 45 minutes work is overcharged by any standard.


It's flat rate time. If the tech is fast and can do the job in a fraction of the time, why shouldn't he be rewarded?


The goal is to beat the clock! A lot of people don't understand what flat rate is or the concept behind it.
 
Flat rate for the job is 1.8 hours. Warranty pays 1.4 hours.

At any rate, that mechanic was cruising. I can't get my beer open and pick out my cleanest dirty rag in that short amount of time.

Thank goodness for warranty coverage!
 
Originally Posted By: FowVay
Flat rate for the job is 1.8 hours. Warranty pays 1.4 hours.


So seeing as book time is 1.8, the tech will flag 3 hours on a CP job because they can, and then just have the car sit for an hour or so to make it look like it took somewhat close to that time.
 
Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
Originally Posted By: FowVay
Flat rate for the job is 1.8 hours. Warranty pays 1.4 hours.


So seeing as book time is 1.8, the tech will flag 3 hours on a CP job because they can, and then just have the car sit for an hour or so to make it look like it took somewhat close to that time.

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Originally Posted By: Cutehumor
knowing something about the vehicle before going in helps out a ton. how many people know what a water pump weep hole is?
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I said there was coolant crust buildup on the inside of the water pump pulley. This was the same advisor who worked with me previously on the axle seal repair, as well as the big discounts on the previous service visit. He probably has me in the back of his mind as that PITA customer.
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But yeah, I was quite surprised he didn't say that he would have to bill me 1 hr diagnostic to pressure test the cooling system to confirm the leak and to make sure that there are no other ones.
 
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
The repair time was only 45 minutes, the labor charge should be 1 hour. 3 hours labor for 45 minutes work is overcharged by any standard.


So, if the tech was mediocre, and actually took 3 hours to do the job, you would be OK with that? Time/Labor standards are there for a reason.

3-1 ratios on time, I did it sometimes. I didn't average 80 hrs/week by sitting on my butt.
 
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