Amsoil XL7500, 98 Camry 4cyl.

onsitelube · Aug 28, 2003

I install this oil for quite a few customers so I wanted to get a used oil analysis just to make sure I'm not steering anyone wrong with it. This car/interval seemed like a good candidate so I went with it. I also noticed someone mention a while back that they would like to see more reports on this oil so here it is.

98 Toyota Camry, 2.2L 4 cylinder
miles on car - 83511
miles on oil - 8751(approx. 5 months)
no make up added, mixed driving city & highway
Oil - Amsoil XL7500 5W30
Filter - Purolator
Performed by Oil Analyzers

Iron - 29
Chromium - 0
Lead - 11
Copper - 18
Tin - 0
Aluminum - 6
Nickel - 0
Silver - 0
Silicon - 20
Boron - 8
Sodium - 9
Magnesium - 42
Calcium - 2541
Barium - 0
Phosphorus - 983
Zinc - 1004
Moly - 6
Fuel - Vis @100c - 10.62
Water - 0

TBN 2.82
Oxid - 13.0
Nitr. - 13.0

No corrective action, suitable for continued use.

I appreciate any comments.
Thanks,
Adam

sbc350gearhead · Aug 28, 2003

How hard is this car driven?

[ August 28, 2003, 11:34 PM: Message edited by: sbc350gearhead ]

Pablo · Aug 28, 2003

Considering that you went 1251 miles beyond Amsoil's recommendation, I find OAI's comments bizarre at best.

I can't say that I like Fe that high, but what's the trend? What oil was used before?

TBN is low, but the oil did hold up OK.

YZF150 · Aug 28, 2003

A well-built engine like that one with that mileage should be showing single digit wear metals, or low teens at worse.

Bag that oil, or don't run it for so long. Try again, maybe, and change it at half that mileage for comparison.

Your lab is out to lunch with advice like that.

wulimaster · Aug 28, 2003

quote:

Originally posted by Pablo:
Considering that you went 1251 miles beyond Amsoil's recommendation, I find OAI's comments bizarre at best.

I can't say that I like Fe that high, but what's the trend? What oil was used before?

TBN is low, but the oil did hold up OK.

Actually, the oil is also good for Honda requirements of 10k oil changes. New Hondas call for 10k changes with 5w20.
My guess is the oil will probably make it to 15k after filter and top-off. Seems to have stayed right in grade.
Very little oxidation and nitration.

I wonder how other group III oils performed with similar mileage?

Ken4 · Aug 28, 2003

I have the same car as you, albeit mine is younger. You might want to try 40wt or even 50wt oil to reduce wear levels.

http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000613

quadrun1 · Aug 28, 2003

Yeah, the report on this '98 Camry could be better. I think if you're gonna bother using Amsoil you might as well use their normal 5w30 or 10w30 oils ("ATM", etc)

Ken4, your Castrol RS 10W-50 analysis was really amazing, I hadn't seen that one before:

http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000168

That's the kind of UOA you want to print out and hang up on the refrigerator or something!

I think you found your holy grail

Jason

JohnBrowning · Aug 29, 2003

For a Toyota your wear numbers are way to high!!! THis oil and OCI interval are not working well. You either need to rethink the oil or the OCI. Most Toyotas especialy inline engines tend to produce single didgit wear numbers! If you have been following a simalar OCI you may have accumulated deposits skewing the results a bit but I doub that this is the case.

You might want to try Auto-Rx.

HOndaGuy · Aug 31, 2003

this is the group 3 i assume, id try amsoil 5w30 asl next time around, don't bother with that group 3 crap when its 5 bucks a quart.

pscholte · Aug 31, 2003

Compare to http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000776; even given the difference in interval length, then numbers for the Mobil are much better.

onsitelube · Aug 31, 2003

Thanks for everyone's comments. I didn't really expect this UOA to come back looking as good as others posted with half of the miles on the oil. I understand these wear numbers are higher than average for this board but I've got to wonder how long an engine would really last with this kind of wear. I change oil for a living and see lots of bad OCI's. I have one fleet of gas engine vehicles where I have seen quite a few 10-16,000 mile intervals on conventional oil with these guys. I can just imagine what kind of numbers would show up there, but they rountinely get 250K on an engine.

quote:

this is the group 3 i assume, id try amsoil 5w30 asl next time around, don't bother with that group 3 crap when its 5 bucks a quart

As I said, I change oil for a living and I offer the Amsoil XL7500 as an option because it helps me make money. My particular situation allows me to get it easier and cheaper than any other synthetic. Since it may be harder for others to get it means my customers call ME back time after time.

SteveD2 · Aug 31, 2003

onsitelube,

I look at your analysis on that vehicle a little different. I like to figure the wear in ppm per 1K miles and your iron is only 3.4ppm per 1k miles. Lead is in the 1.2 range. I didn't figure them on paper, just a quick round off in my head. While not stellar, I don't think you are out of the ball park. Nit, Oxy and TBN are very good. The moly is not from the Amsoil, could be left from a previous oil. Not sure what Rings this engine uses.
Sorry, but in this engine, I would not exceed 7.5K oil changes. JMO

buster · Aug 31, 2003

I look at this oil in the same way I look at Casrtol Syntec= Waste of money. Shame on you Al for your fake synthetics. Where are your four ball wear tests showing it's superiority?

Sin City · Aug 31, 2003

Overall I think this oil did OK. I have seen better used oil analysis however I bet this Toyota will still last 250,000 miles or more before it ever needs any engine work. The owner did go over the 7,500 mileage limit and we also know that the 2.2L Camry is known to be harder on oil than many other cars.

I am using 10W-40 Amsoil XL-7500 in my wifes 1997 BMW 318i and if she puts enough miles on that car in the next six months I will post a used oil analysis. Thanks onsitelub for performing that used oil analysis and posting it for us all to see.

SteveD2 · Aug 31, 2003

Buster,
I won't argue with the Castrol comment, but nothing wrong with this analysis or oil. Show me the 9K intervals run with synthetic that are so super. Not addressing bypass or doctored oil with the Mola Brew. The MolaKule brew could make witches coffee run great in any auto. (LC/132 mix)
Personally I commend Al for giving his Dealers another product in which to compete in the oil market. NO, I don't sell anything or have a ZO number.

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buster · Aug 31, 2003

quote:

Buster,
I won't argue with the Castrol comment, but nothing wrong with this analysis or oil. Show me the 9K intervals run with synthetic that are so super. Not addressing bypass or doctored oil with the Mola Brew. The MolaKule brew could make witches coffee run great in any auto. (LC/132 mix)
Personally I commend Al for giving his Dealers another product in which to compete in the oil market. NO, I don't sell anything or have a ZO number.

This report is ok, and the oil is not that bad, but when you look at the price, it's just not worth it IMO. You can buy the regular Amsoil ATM line for $4.35 qt (pref. customer). This oil was only made to satisfy the full API requirements. It's not a bad product, I just think it's over priced. Al was also very against Castrol call there Syntec a true synthetic and said he would never use a group III oil.

Pablo · Aug 31, 2003

buster - I AGREE with you completely. The XL line is made for people that must have an inferior API oil.....I say just buy any other oil - I refuse to sell ripoffs. TRUE CONFESSION: eheheh - I've NEVER sold ANY XL oil! (Amazing science, that)

This one report IS being a bit over analyzed. We have NO concept of what was in this car before and for how long - lots of info is always left out with a single analysis....

buster · Aug 31, 2003

quote:

The XL line is made for people that must have an inferior API oil.....I say just buy any other oil - I refuse to sell ripoffs. TRUE CONFESSION: eheheh - I've NEVER sold ANY XL oil! (Amazing science, that)

Nice!

I just can't see spending the money when you can buy Amsoil's 10w30 which is a great oil.

This report is over analyzed. Actually, I think sometimes we over analyze many of them. What we consider bad I think Mobil and Amsoil would consider fine many times.

Amsoil XL7500, 98 Camry 4cyl.

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