Amsoil Filter Disappeared (Toyota 2.4L)

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Hi Everyone,

I just checked the Amsoil web site and the Ea filter (EaO10 I believe) for the 2.4L Camry (and I assume Rav4, etc) 2AZ-FE engine is no longer listed. Only the MANN filter is listed.

Does anyone have info on this?

Thanks!
 
On Amsoil's website, I have read that they do not recommend Amsoil filters for Toyotas anymore and that filter changes should be done as per the OEM recommendation (5000 miles). I suspect Amsoil is being cautious due to the 1MZ sludge problem in some 3.0 V6 Toyo engines. Gary Allen or Pablo may be able to answer this for you.
 
Interesting, I wander what's the story there?
2AZ-FE tC uses EaO-09 filter, it is still available. Same specs as EaO-10, but a little bit shorter.
BTW, I used EaO-10 in tC
 
Makes me wounder if they have had some failures they had to pay for???? Every car company on this earth has had some engine in the last 20 years that had sludge issues I gurantee it. So I am not buying the sludge issues that effected less then 1% of those engines involved in the issue. Bear in mind all Toyota required was proof of an oil in change in the previous 12 months not a real issue for most useing Amsoil not a lot of them going 400,000 miles on two oil changes on a 409 V8 or what ever it was they used to advertise. We have seen on this site plenty of Toyota's going 7000-10,000 miles and plenty going 9-12 months on far lesser oils then what Amsoil makes! Look at the Audi and Chrysler sludge engines issues that where happening around the same time as Toyota's problem.

I doubt we will ever get the truth of why they are doing what they are doing most large companies tell the truth about as often as a pedophile admits what he has done was wrong to do. Even if they admit they did something they usualy do not think what they did was wrong as long as the child consented! So the only way we get the truth on this one would be if someone inthe know decided to share it with us. I would guess that someone used 5W20 or 0W20 in an application not approved for it like my 2003 2AZ-FE engine as compared to a 2006 2AZ-FE and had a failure they probably where also doing extended oil change per Amsoils recomendation. WHen they had the problem they probably volanteered too much info to the service writer and triggered an automotic warranty denial which left Amsoil holding the bag! THis is just a silly wild guess not fact just guessing!
 
The filters are available ..just not recommended beyond the OEM service length. They don't even show the EaO for the 2AZ-FE ..they recommend MANN.

The Toyota/Lexus engines apparently produce too much filterable material. For some reason this, even without the presence of engine trouble, causes a CEL to trigger. Frank would run into this with Lexus treatments with Auto-Rx.

(This part I've integrated from reading experiences with Toy/Lexus engines and Auto-Rx.)

That means that "normally" when using an EaO, the CEL and oil light will light up at some point. If there is actually a true pressure issue, there's nothing to tell you.

Anyway, Amsoil has encountered this so much that they've issued a TSB specifically about the 1.8 engines and others. It basically appears to say "all".

https://www.amsoil.com/dealer/techservic...ge%20Issues.pdf

https://www.amsoil.com/dealer/techservicesbulletin/Filtration/TSB FL-2009-05-01 EaO Toyota.pdf
 
I don't know about other models, but my 2.2 Camry calls for a 51394 and I've been running a 51516 on it which is much larger and I'm sure has a much higher capacity. That could be an option
 
WIX 51394 == EaO09, standard tC filter
WIX 51396 == EaO10, standard Camry filter, 1/2 inch taller than EaO9
WIX 51516 == EaO34, oversized something...

What are the specs on EaO09, 10 and 34?
 
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Originally Posted By: odessit
Thanks Garry for the links.

Are you saying that it is still possible to purchase EaO10 filter?



Sorry. No the EaO10 isn't available. It must only fit the sludge prone engines. I may have missed the dropping of the number in the news letter. Then again, I may have posted it and it just slipped my mind (always in dynamic decay).
 
The filters are very small for the 4 cyls, 25K is a lot of miles, seems reasonable they may reach capacity in that use. My 1.5 engine takes the short version, and I use the same filter on my lawn mower, which holds 0.6 qts of oil, with filter.

I see the Mann filters are $4.35, that's interesting, wonder what they look like inside.
 
Thanks for the thread and replies.

My GF's car is a '97 Camry 2.2L, didn't think this 2.2L was one of the top sludgers...

I'll keep up the 4k OCI w/PYB and oil filter was Wix, now PureOne.

Watch those PCV's!
 
Gary, whatever the reason for not supporting a filter/motor combo is fine, but I think if Amsoil pulled a larger EaO10 filter for Camry, it should definately pull smaller EaO09 filter specked for tC since it is exact same 2AZ-FE engine!
Just find it very strange.

Edit, this is from 07 tC Amsoil page on filter usage

"2. AMSOIL advises Original Equipment Manufacturers (OEM) filter change recommendations. "
 
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I can't explain the oddity there. One would reason that they pulled the wrong filter if all things were equal. I'm, for the most part, under the mushroom effect. Kept in the dark and covered with plenty of ......

I think I'll put an inquiry into technical about this seemingly contradictory move with the EaO10.

They used to list the bypass valve spec's ..but no longer do.

EAO09 GM (85-08), Daihatsu (88-92), Infiniti (91-96), Kawasaki Mules, SLUBE 2.977 2.685 3⁄4-16 Attached 2.475 2.173 .233
Nissan (91-95), Toyota (80-08), Scion (04-08), Atlas-Copco,
Briggs&Stratton, Cub Cadet, Generac, John Deere, Kubota,
New Holland

EAO10 GM Vehicles (99-05), Geo (89-92), Toyota (88-08), Various SLUBE 3.402 2.685 3⁄4-16 Attached 2.475 2.173 .233
Ford-New Holland Tractors, Suzuki (96-08), Suzuki Marine
Engines
 
Originally Posted By: odessit
Gary, whatever the reason for not supporting a filter/motor combo is fine, but I think if Amsoil pulled a larger EaO10 filter for Camry, it should definately pull smaller EaO09 filter specked for tC since it is exact same 2AZ-FE engine!
Just find it very strange.

Edit, this is from 07 tC Amsoil page on filter usage

"2. AMSOIL advises Original Equipment Manufacturers (OEM) filter change recommendations. "


Obviously then, it must be a filter problem.
 
The Toyota engines run very small filters and seem to have lots of stuff for the filter to catch. Combining these two facts with an extended OCI is asking for trouble with any filter. This is why Amsoil stepped back and is now recommending OEM filter change intervals.

IMO the filters on a Toyota are way too small. First thing I would do is buy a remote mount bypass kit that Amsoil sells that would let me relocate the filter and have 2 giant filters which are sold for this bypass unit system, one for regular filtration (90%) and the other for bypass (10%). This would give you the extended OCI's without worrying about the filters plugging up and give you superior filtration at the same time allowing you to do mega OCI's in most cases.
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I'm purchasing one for my Santa Fe at the moment.
 
Originally Posted By: StevieC

I'm purchasing one for my Santa Fe at the moment.



We are going to have to see pics of that Steve!!
 
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