Amsoil changes their efficiency "results"

[kemo]

As quoted from the website:

Absolute Efficiency
AMSOIL Ea® Oil Filters (EaO, Ea15K) have one of the best efficiency ratings in the automotive/light-truck market. Ea Oil Filters provide a filtering efficiency in accordance with industry standard ISO 4548-12 of 98.7 percent at 20 microns, while competitive filters demonstrate efficiencies as low as 51 percent.

http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/eao.aspx

Hopefully this will put to rest the praising of 98.7% at 15 microns.

Previous OFFICIAL graph from AMSOIL:

 

[NavyDood]

Either way the Amsoil or Donaldson ELF is the best filter I have found for my 04 Cummins on a 25,000 OCI. The fleetguard LF16035 does great but lacks a little in soot removal compared to the Amsoil or Donaldson.

 

[Pablo]

Old news. Amsoil redesigned their filters for better flow. Still nothing wrong with the filter.

I guess I need to know why you wrote:

Quote:
Hopefully this will put to rest the praising of 98.7% at 15 microns.


"Hopefully"?

Interesting word choice.

 

[daves87rs]

Still too bad there are no cartridges yet...

 

[Y_K]

Excellent results @ 20 microns for other filters as well. And Ford FL820S is $3.67 at my WMart. Where are the premium filters though? Why are they not comparing to M1, Bosch D+, RP filters?
And what are those other filters @ 15 microns?
Clear it is not.

 

[Smokefan1977]

Amsoil dealer just can't help to spout off about anything somebody writes on forums. I don't care how great the product is people buy from people and their reps give Amsoil a worst rap then what Amsoils claims are.

Im sorry Pablo you should just leave well enough alone and not get so over worked and picking apart peoples post. If you don't like what somebody says walk away. Your post deffinetly doesn't help your " Credits ".

Im happy to see amsoil make a more realistic claim.

 

[oilboy123]

Boy this thread was a waste of my time...............

 

[Ben99GT]

So it's exactly the same as the Royal Purple filters (@ 20 microns) now. It makes sense since both filters appear to be using a similar (or the same?) media.

 

[kemo]

Originally Posted By: Pablo
Old news. Amsoil redesigned their filters for better flow. Still nothing wrong with the filter.

I guess I need to know why you wrote:

Quote:
Hopefully this will put to rest the praising of 98.7% at 15 microns.


"Hopefully"?

Interesting word choice.


Because all I see and hear about are dealers and fanboys spouting off "facts" about amsoil. it's annoying, to be honest.

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: Smokefan1977
Amsoil dealer just can't help to spout off about anything somebody writes on forums. I don't care how great the product is people buy from people and their reps give Amsoil a worst rap then what Amsoils claims are.

Im sorry Pablo you should just leave well enough alone and not get so over worked and picking apart peoples post. If you don't like what somebody says walk away. Your post deffinetly doesn't help your " Credits ".

Im happy to see amsoil make a more realistic claim.


OK I apologize to you and others for coming on too strong. My bad.

But please, why are "results" in parentheses? Why such a word choice? It's not a claim. It's a purposeful change. Should I just let such things sit?

 

[Smokefan1977]

Pablo,

I have no idea why some people choose certain wording. 1 thing I have learned after being on and sponsoring on many large diesel forums is we are not face to face. It's much harder to breakdown what somebody says or means and many times fights start over something that was interpreted by ones misunderstanding.

I know regurdless of the claims the Amsoil filter is a high quality filter. ever since the EAO line arrived replacing the SDF I have wondered how their claims were better then the Donaldson claims were. Understanding a slight change in the filter to allow more flow came recently i feel these new claims are more inline fron the begining. Reguardless the new numbers are not a big deal and won't promote more engine wear

 

[JOD]

Originally Posted By: Smokefan1977
Amsoil dealer just can't help to spout off about anything somebody writes on forums. I don't care how great the product is people buy from people and their reps give Amsoil a worst rap then what Amsoils claims are.


Given the comments to which he was responding, his response seems pretty justified.


Originally Posted By: Smokefan1977
Im happy to see amsoil make a more realistic claim.


? They completely redesigned the filter, they aren't "now making a realistic claim". It's a different filter. Capacity and flow rates when up, efficiency went down--that's what happens when you use less of the same media...

To me, the most interesting part of that chart is that there's finally a real ISO test result on the 820S--and it looks really good! It's certainly a lot better than the generic "80% @ 20 Microns" previously listed by Ford.

 

[kemo]

Originally Posted By: JOD
Originally Posted By: Smokefan1977
Amsoil dealer just can't help to spout off about anything somebody writes on forums. I don't care how great the product is people buy from people and their reps give Amsoil a worst rap then what Amsoils claims are.


Given the comments to which he was responding, his response seems pretty justified.


Originally Posted By: Smokefan1977
Im happy to see amsoil make a more realistic claim.


? They completely redesigned the filter, they aren't "now making a realistic claim". It's a different filter. Capacity and flow rates when up, efficiency went down--that's what happens when you use less of the same media...


What gets hard to sort through, is what dealers are telling the truth and which ones are blatantly lying, or just don't know jack about the product they are selling. It grinds my gears when another dealer that is constantly pushing amsoil onto me (not here, and not online), keeps telling me "it's the same filter since it was released".

I'm reading a pdf from amsoil that only mentions the 15k filters being redesigned (ea filter history pdf).

Quote:

Ea Oil Filters recommended for 15,000-
mile service intervals are designated
by the product code EA15K. These
filters have been redesigned, but still
feature the same premium nanofiber
synthetic media as their 25,000-mile
counterparts. In addition to some slight
packaging modifications, AMSOIL has
identified existing Ea Oil Filters moving
from 25,000- to 15,000-mile intervals by
placing stickers on the boxes.

 

[NavyDood]

Testing standards/methods have changed in the recent past on fuel filters. What was once considered 2um absolute is not rated at 2um anymore. Anyone know if the testing methods have changed in the oil filter industry?

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: JOD

To me, the most interesting part of that chart is that there's finally a real ISO test result on the 820S--and it looks really good! It's certainly a lot better than the generic "80% @ 20 Microns" previously listed by Ford.


Yeah, I always thought Ford's "80% @ 20 microns" rating of their Motorcraft filters was a joke and disservice to their product. Why didn't Ford state the real performance of their own filters? I find it very strange.

 

[ltslimjim]

So, their 'true' statement on a 'less specific graph'; at the time it was made, when their filters "WERE" rated to 98.7% @ 15 micron being "UPDATED" to "truthfully" show 98.7% @ 20 micron is some how a bad thing?

Hey, at least they specified the other filters in the test. It was showing Amsoil's offering vs. OEM filters. That is it.

 

[Sayjac]

So Amsoil reengineered the EaO, then recently had it retested against some OEM filters, and posted the results. Looks straight forward to me.

And 98.7% @ 20um for the EaO is still excellent, and with great construction.

The only two filters not showing well didn't surprise me either. Based on cost for construction, never a huge fan of the Fram made Honda A-02. Now with these results, also for efficiency reasons. And the results for the Toyota OEM results, which seem to be most questioned, agree with the results river_rat found for that filter and similar no endcap type designed filters. Just not very efficient. But if you still like em, use em. Again, looks straight forward to me.

And as mentioned, the FL 820S showed what many had thought, that it's efficiency was at least in low 90's rather than the old published ~80% @20um.

I just don't see any issue here.

 

[Bayman]

Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: Smokefan1977
Amsoil dealer just can't help to spout off about anything somebody writes on forums. I don't care how great the product is people buy from people and their reps give Amsoil a worst rap then what Amsoils claims are.

Im sorry Pablo you should just leave well enough alone and not get so over worked and picking apart peoples post. If you don't like what somebody says walk away. Your post deffinetly doesn't help your " Credits ".

Im happy to see amsoil make a more realistic claim.


OK I apologize to you and others for coming on too strong. My bad.

But please, why are "results" in parentheses? Why such a word choice? It's not a claim. It's a purposeful change. Should I just let such things sit?


Pablo, no need for an apology, let Amsoil sell itself.

 

[chevrofreak]

Just more reason to love the FL-820S

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: Y_K
Excellent results @ 20 microns for other filters as well. And Ford FL820S is $3.67 at my WMart. Where are the premium filters though? Why are they not comparing to M1, Bosch D+, RP filters?
And what are those other filters @ 15 microns?
Clear it is not.


It's clear if you look at it this way: I take these test results posted on a companies website or in their publications designed to sell product with a grain of salt. After all they custom tailor their tests so their product shines, then pick who they want to compete against. Typical I'd say.