GON
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I will do a basic bullet write up on why ord is a hidden gem in the next 12 hours.
American Airlines And United Airlines Want Chicago O'Hare Expansion To Slow Down
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Oh, I'd agree 100%, particularly with major hubs like Chicago an hour away and Dallas not much further. But somehow TWA managed to make it their biggest hub and eventually the airport became one of the top-10 busiest in the country for a few years. Those days are over!
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- Two major airlines in one hub
- Example, I flew on AA out of LaCrosse to ORD and then onto LAX. The LaCrosse flight had a very late departure and I was going to miss my AA connection to LAX. AA booked me on the UA non-stop flight to LAX. DFW, ATL, CLT can’t do that- ever via a non-stop
- Gets even better in some city pair combinations- one example ORD-SEA, four mainline airlines offer non-stops AA,AS,DL,UA. Find another hub with four mainline carriers between two major city pairs- not many
- Best bad weather crews/ equipment in the US- likely the world
- No other airport can handle bad weather like ORD, not even a close second. Bad weather does happen, if often paralyzes other airports and causes issues for days on end- not at ORD
- If having to stay overnight, dozens of lodging options without having to catch a hotel shuttle
- Nothing worse than missing a flight and having to spend the night at a airport area hotel, one is already tired and frustrated. Waiting outside sometimes uo to two hours for a hotel shuttle is brutal and beyond frustrating. Along with the ORD Hilton at the terminal, one can get on the blue line seamlessly and in one stop be in walking distance to a handful of hotels, including three Marriott properties
- One can make any domestic to domestic flight by running, no shuttle bus or tram needed.
- In the past two years, I have missed numerous flights at DFW because I had to take the tram, and could missed the last flight out my just a minute or two. At ORD, I can run like OJ and make it
- One can also run at CLT, but CLT is so over capacity that more often than not one can’t run at the required speed to make the connection because the very dense crowds in the very narrow hallways
- Along the line of what EddyVW mentioned- Lou Malnotis pizza. Have a three hour layover. Get off the plane, call Lou Malnotis and order a deep dish pizza, grab a Uber, arrive at Lou’s with a world class deep dish pizza just out of the oven- now wait, have a delicious meal, back on Uber and back to the terminal- easy as eating a pancake
Finally, some comments about pocketbooks. Chicago/ Illinois is toast. Having a world class airport is essentially is last and only option to save the place. I am sure the state is already done, but a world class airport might give a shimmer of hope. Without a new airport, absolutely no hope. And for the corruption, I am quite sure the original 8.3 billion price that is now 12 billion, the same construction likely could be done, and finished on time at places like CLT, SLC, etc for 3-5 billion and completed on time. That is why corruption is the cause of this, not the actual construction.
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Yes I have, not Houston and Dallas are not in the same category as Chicago/ Illinois. Not even a close second runner ups. Like comparing a two-bit casino cheat to Bernie Madoff/ Sam Brinkman Fried- not comparable at any level.
Corruption in a state can be measured by means not easily understood. Four measurements of corruption in a state are property taxes, overall taxes, state deficit, and state debt. For example, every man, women, and child in the state of Illinois owes the state- personally well over $100k in state pension liabilities. A baby born this morning in Illinois this morning now owes the state over $100k in pension liabilities. can't make this up.
The two most corrupt states in the US, NJ and IL, both have the very lowest score cards across the board when compared to their peer states in the four "hidden" corruption measurements.
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GON
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I speculate ORD will become like STL instead of a new airport being built. One needs to study disgraced Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert to understand why suggestions for any project be built of that nature in the greater Chicagoland area.
I published peer reviewed articles about corruption. Corruption os more complex than your 4 variables.
If you blame corruption in this case (and that is your assumption), considering size of operations by UAL and AA (especially UAL), they are NOT innocent parties here.
Assumption is mother of all screwups, don’t forget that.
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I have no idea what you are saying or defending.
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For how long? With every man, women, and child who's domicile is Illinois owes the state individually of 100k in pension liabilities alone, that money will be coming from somewhere. With eleven consecutive years of population losses, and business losses, the tax base is shrink while the liabilities rise. And with Illinois already losing congressional seats, the states "voice" to get the other 49 states to bail out Illinois becomes harder to achieve.
Let’s not stop there: California is “toast” because of taxes and regulation. Florida? Insurance rates, real estate prices and climate change. Arizona/New Mexico? Water. Every state has its issues and Illinois isn’t the only one with a corruption problem. And let’s put it out there: on its current fiscal path, the US in total has profound issues, too.
There is no way they can make people pay that. It's like the constitutional amendment that no pension can be reduced.....until it will be. It's those who are bought into the state pension system that will be the losers. My county property taxes have gone down the last 5 years in a row due to how they handle the pensions. Just 90 miles south.
Actually, the Illinois unfunded pension liability is $ 218 billion. With a population of about 13 million, that’s about $17,000/person. Significant, but not $100k. (But $100/k person is about right for the US national debt.)
Public pension rights are protected by a state constitutional amendment that makes it impossible to decrease pension “rights”. Even small changes (like using actual inflation instead of a minimum 3%) would make a huge difference given time. Courage may prevail and an amendment put to the voters. We’ll see.
Sounds like virtually any other major airport remodel or expansion...
See the Denver Airport current great hall project.
One could point out in your example that DFW, ATL, and CLT were not even options. The only commercial flights out of LaCrosse today go to Chicago (Delta ended service to Minneapolis in June of this year).
See the Denver Airport current great hall project.
One could point out in your example that DFW, ATL, and CLT were not even options. The only commercial flights out of LaCrosse today go to Chicago (Delta ended service to Minneapolis in June of this year).
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Yes, because they need it because the weather is awful. Thunderstorms that last forever, ice, etc.. Back when I used to fly, I spent overnight at O'Hare a couple different times. They pulled out cots and everything. Pre 9/11. Wonder if they still do that?
Worst Airport food in the system - and most expensive at the same time. Now when North "worst" had a hub in Memphis you could get real bbq in the airport - they brought it in. Those were the days.
Glad I don't fly much anymore, but when I do I avoid ORD like the plague. Nothing personal, Chicago used to be a nice town.
True story, when I very first was out of college my significantly older boss insisted we wear a suit and tie on the airplane. He was from a very different generation.
The Eastern District of Virginia is, considering number of people who reside in it, the US District Court that has the HIGHEST numbers of corruption cases. The US District Courts in Illinois aren't even close.
Gon,
Thanks for your list of advantages of connecting through ORD.
Having two network carriers willing to interline passengers as needed who both have significant reach from the airport is a real advantage.
Missed connections happen and if you miss one at PHL, CLT, EWR or even ATL you are pretty much screwed.
Having plenty of good available lodging in the event of having to have an unplanned overnight is also a real advantage.
Thanks for your list of advantages of connecting through ORD.
Having two network carriers willing to interline passengers as needed who both have significant reach from the airport is a real advantage.
Missed connections happen and if you miss one at PHL, CLT, EWR or even ATL you are pretty much screwed.
Having plenty of good available lodging in the event of having to have an unplanned overnight is also a real advantage.
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