Amazon increases EV Fleet

[Torrid]

Seems to me those who toss “hate” around nonstop might have their own issues - I choose to not do business with Amazon and a few other companies - that’s not hate - it’s freedom …

There’s a difference between not doing business with a company and insulting those that do business with that company. The first is a personal choice and the second is just classless.

 

[4WD]

There’s a difference between not doing business with a company and insulting those that do business with that company. The first is a personal choice and the second is just classless.

Did I insult someone ?

 

[Torrid]

Did I insult someone ?

No, I'm saying we've been seeing that around here.

 

[demarpaint]

Seems to me those who toss “hate” around nonstop might have their own issues - I choose to not do business with Amazon and a few other companies - that’s not hate - it’s freedom …

Agreed. My loyalty is to my wallet lets say 99% of the time. I do business with AMZN, although a lot less now. If they have the best price they get the business. That goes for WMT, Ebay, and a few others. There are companies I won't do business with no matter how good the price might be, potential savings if any, or the incentives to buy. I won't go into those companies or reasons.

 

[4WD]

Agreed. My loyalty is to my wallet lets say 99% of the time. I do business with AMZN, although a lot less now. If they have the best price they get the business. That goes for WMT, Ebay, and a few others. There are companies I won't do business with no matter how good the price might be, potential savings if any, or the incentives to buy. I won't go into those companies or reasons.

My town is small enough where it’s not hard to shop there first - when it’s not available there - or overpriced - I will certainly look online …
Sometimes ordering more direct …

 

[Torrid]

My town is small enough where it’s not hard to shop their first - when it’s not there - or overpriced - I will certainly look online …
Sometimes ordering more direct …

We've stayed a lot more local than we used to. Amazon was a go to for a long time. We had Prime and used it for video too, but they just keep jacking up the price and it just didn't feel worth it at the price it has gotten to. Maybe it's instant gratification, but I tend to think it's security of actually getting what we paid for instantly anyway buying local. We used Amazon for a few things for Christmas. We did not pay for a faster shipping to get it here. Last I looked it was $119 for a yearly Prime membership and that's a lot of shipping cost I can just pay for if I need it faster.

 

[skyactiv]

Who owns and operates the EV vans? Where I live, third party companies own and hire the drivers for the Amazon vans.

 

[4WD]

We've stayed a lot more local than we used to. Amazon was a go to for a long time. We had Prime and used it for video too, but they just keep jacking up the price and it just didn't feel worth it at the price it has gotten to. Maybe it's instant gratification, but I tend to think it's security of actually getting what we paid for instantly anyway We used Amazon for a few things for Christmas. We did not pay for a faster shipping to get it here. Last I looked it was $119 for a yearly Prime membership and that's a lot of shipping cost I can just pay for if I need it faster.

Yeah - even the private owned hardware store has True Value leverage - and I like to look at things in my hand. Had to rebuild our 3 toilets - well, darn - Fluid Master has moved manufacturing to China - but Korky is USA and cost less - got those …

 

[andrew_j]

I am still SHOCKED that USPS hasn’t converted the little Grumman LLVs to electric-I’ve heard that most of the S-10 chassis they are on are rusted out & on their last legs, and the chassis are long since obsolete.

They purchased 10k Ford e transit vans along with charge facilities to start…..EV makes sense for that kind of duty or hybrid at least. All that stopping would lead to a lot of energy reclaimed into charge instead of heat and wear on brake pads.

 

[Torrid]

They purchased 10k Ford e transit vans along with charge facilities to start…..EV makes sense for that kind of duty or hybrid at least. All that stopping would lead to a lot of energy reclaimed into charge instead of heat and wear on brake pads.

Oshkosh Truck had the contract for EV mail trucks. I don’t know the status on delivery of those though and I no longer have any contact with Oshkosh Truck.

 

[Cujet]

Just thinking aloud here. "IF" a driver can get 392K miles from a Tesla model 3, on the original battery, through proper charging methods, and avoiding excess stress, I don't see why a Rivian delivery van can't do the same. Being as the pack is nearly twice the size, and battery stress can be limited.

They are using the very same Samsung 2170 NCA (nickel cobalt aluminum) batteries that the nearly 400K mile Tesla uses.

I've heard they are charging them to 100% every night and rarely go below 60% remaining at the end of the day. I wonder if the 100% is really a software limited charge. As the thing has a range of 140 to 150 miles, with a 135KWh battery pack. Guessing yes, the charge percentage and charge rate "might" be limited to preserve the battery pack. If not, the knowledge gained in early operation might encourage better battery management.

I think it will eventually be a success. Remember the old mail trucks, (Grumman LLV is one version) they went through engines and transmissions fairly rapidly, and used a lot of fuel.

So, even if the Rivian needs a battery sooner than expected, it may not exceed the cost of engine, transmission and fuel expense vs. elec power.

But, let's be real here, the cost of the Rivian is stupidly high. Double what fleets pay for a comparable Ford.