Alternative to claying?

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My truck sat through last winter. Paint is still in good shape other than water spots (they come off). I dread claying. The Subaru paint is factory fresh new (car came with 2 miles on it).

I want to do a detail with Turtle Wax Seal N Shine. What's the best alternative to preparing the paint that doesn't involve using a clay bar?
 
An Iron remover is a great paint cleaner and does so chemically. A great step to use prior to claying so you're not dragging contaminates across the paint. The Gtechniq (Amazon) one works very well. Then you can spot clay the areas that need it. Use the plastic baggy test to see what areas need it. If the bag drags against the surface then you know it's time to clay. Then I'd go over those areas with some TW Scratch and Swirl Remover from WM.
 
Originally Posted by SatinSilver
An Iron remover is a great paint cleaner and does so chemically. A great step to use prior to claying so you're not dragging contaminates across the paint. The Gtechniq (Amazon) one works very well. Then you can spot clay the areas that need it. Use the plastic baggy test to see what areas need it. If the bag drags against the surface then you know it's time to clay. Then I'd go over those areas with some TW Scratch and Swirl Remover from WM.


Thank you. Appreciate it.

Do any retail stores carry anything?
 
Originally Posted by rooflessVW
What specifically about claying don't you like?


Just takes long I feel. I get impatient when I detail.
 
Originally Posted by demarpaint
I've had good results with this Eagle One Mitt There are a lot of similar and other clay bar alternative products on the market as well. This gets good reviews too. Mothers


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Iron X is a good product....just follow directions or it can leave streaks in your paint and it smells something awful. Smells like the chemicals used to perm a womens hair. It is awful. The mitten above is a good idea as well!
 
Originally Posted by mcrn
and it smells something awful. Smells like the chemicals used to perm a womens hair. It is awful. The mitten above is a good idea as well!


Yes, it smells like rotten eggs/sulfer. There is a lemon scented one on autogeek.net.
 
Originally Posted by buster
Thank you. Appreciate it.

Do any retail stores carry anything?


Walmart for the Turtle Wax Scratch and Swirl Remover and only $2.47.
 
You have 2 new cars. Wash and dry them then coat with Meg Final Finish every 2-3 months. Claying is a recent thing (last 10 years or so) and cars looked just fine without it before. Clay removes contaminants embedded in the paint which is unlikely in a new car. If it looks good to you after a wash, what more do you need than a quick top coat? All this talk of claying making the paint feel smooth is fine for a show car, but unless you enjoy feeling your car some reason, who cares?
 
Thanks for all the suggestions.
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Originally Posted by SatinSilver
Originally Posted by mcrn
and it smells something awful. Smells like the chemicals used to perm a womens hair. It is awful. The mitten above is a good idea as well!


Yes, it smells like rotten eggs/sulfer. There is a lemon scented one on autogeek.net.

Thats how it is supposed to smell. All iron removers contain Ammonium thioglycolate (also called as mercaptoacetate), different concentrations. Iron X has 25-30%. I seriously wonder why folks need it that concentrated. I use Eagle One Black and Plasti coat It has between 5-10%. If I needed, I will make another run.

Subaru paint is not known to be among the best. Although I had it ceramic coated when new, most of it is gone. So I am trying not to use harsh chemicals.
 
Originally Posted by buster
Originally Posted by rooflessVW
What specifically about claying don't you like?


Just takes long I feel. I get impatient when I detail.

Then you're doing it wrong. You never get good results trying to detail a car if you're impatient. If you want to be impatient and cut corners, people will notice, and you ultimately won't like the results.

Getting high-quality results takes time and attention to detail... i.e. patience.
 
A lot of times I'll wash and clay the car the night before. That way I'm not fighting the sun and heat. Taking breaks between the steps really helps. Oh and I wouldn't drink beer until the very end.
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Would suggest looking at the any of the synthetic clay products like Mother's 2.0 (PM me if you want mine, I'm not going to use it). I just ordered some Nanoskin from Autogeek. Speaking of, I took the Autogeek roadshow class and you can fly with the claying. It is not a slow rowing motion but you can move as fast as you want as long as you have enough lube.

You want to get all the contaminants out or else you are just reintroducing scratches (might be minor though and you might not care). There is something called the baggie test - put a sandwich bag over your hand and feel your paint. If it is contaminant free, it will be smooth or else you will feel all the embedded particles. This is how you know if you clayed enough.

I used Iron-X last year when I clayed and polished my vehicle. Just ordered the Tar-X bc I'm pretty sure what I have is not ferrous particles but tar/bugs etc.

At the end of the day, if you're happy with how your car looks, that's all that matters.
 
Originally Posted by buster
Originally Posted by rooflessVW
What specifically about claying don't you like?


Just takes long I feel. I get impatient when I detail.



Something to keep in mind here - you can clay bar one panel at a time.. no need to rush if the end goal is to remove paint contaminants.

If you do a monthly hand wash of the vehicle, then hit up one panel with the clay bar and then resume your normal drying routine. You'll have the car completely done eventually.


And then from that point on, you only need to clay horizontal surfaces. Vertical surfaces tend to not get contamination as easily.
 
Originally Posted by buster
My truck sat through last winter. Paint is still in good shape other than water spots (they come off). I dread claying. The Subaru paint is factory fresh new (car came with 2 miles on it).

I want to do a detail with Turtle Wax Seal N Shine. What's the best alternative to preparing the paint that doesn't involve using a clay bar?


Use something like the Mothers Clay 2.0 if you are going do it. It's easy to find locally and easy to use, and it's not too aggressive to really be of danger, as long as you use while washing car (lots of soap suds!) or after a wash but with plenty of clay lube.

FYI: You can check the condition of the paint first to see if you even need to take the clay step, and thus avoid it if not necessary too. Just get a plastic sandwich bag (the thinner the better) and put your hand in it and rub slowly over the car's [clean] paint/clear coat, feeling with your (plastic covered) fingertips.

If you feel tiny bumps and spots everywhere, those are contaminants that have attached themselves to the paint and cannot be washed or polished off (because you already did that previous to this and they are obviously still there).

In that case, claying would do you lots of good.

If you felt nothing but smooth paint though, claying wouldn't yield much benefit for the effort involved, might as well skip it.
 
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