Alternative Cooling System Flush?

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I have a 1969 Camaro that the previous owner had used some type of fleet coolant in it and I want to get all of this older coolant out and replace it with new store bought Zerex coolant. I know usually I could just remove the upper hose from the radiator, start the car, wait for the thermostat to open and stick a hose in the rad. until it runs clear, then drain the block of the remaining water and fill. Problem is I currently have a stripped oil filter mount that I have to fix, so I don't have any oil in the engine. While I have the some down time with the car and it is up on ramps I have been doing other maintenance on it and I have new Zerex coolant for it that I would like to replace. So my questions for you guys are:

1)What is the best way to replace/flush the coolant without starting the engine? Would taking out the block drain plugs and thermostat and running a hose through the upper rad hose work? Will this effectively flush the block and would any water be able to get passed the water pump? Should I not worry too much about the pump because there isn't much coolant trapped in it and just flush the block, heater core and radiator with a hose? Also with winter coming up, I want to make sure that I don't have alot of water left in so I get the proper ratio when filling to prevent anything freezing up this winter.

2) I have also come across people using a shop vac to remove all the coolant? How does this work and would this be a better way? Do I simply just remove the thermostat and suck all the coolant out through the upper hose? I am assuming that maybe the pump would not allow me to remove all of the coolant through the lower hose.

3)Am I making it too complicated and simply just draining the rad., block, and heater core will be good enough? If there is still alittle older trapped coolant left by just draining and not flushing with water, will it cause any problems with the new brand of coolant added?

4) The thermostat is fairly new, so I am gonna reuse that, but how about the gasket. if I remove the thermostat housing during the procedure to get at the thermostat, do I have to get a new gasket or can it be reused if it is not torn?

Any help or tips for the easiest way to flush this system of the old coolant without running the engine is greatly appreciated. I know that once I get the car back on the road that I will need to run the engine to properly work out the air bubbles and get the coolant level up. oh, and just in case it helps, its basically a stock Camaro cooling system with an aluminum radiator, and I also have aluminum heads and intake on it too. thanks for the help
 
If the cooling system isn't full of grime and scale; ie it's clean, I'd just drain the rad and block and add the 50/50 mixture of Zerex and call it a day. If it's up on ramps in your garage, it could get quite messing trying to flush the cooling system!!!
 
thanks for the reply Drew

Do you think there will be any problems with small amount of left over coolant trapped in in the engine and it mixing with the new coolant. Two different brands so they are probably two different chemistries. The fleet coolant in there now is pink and could be some type of dexcool I am thinking. I am going with either Zerex Original or G05. Will the little amount of the old coolant left in the engine from just draining not be enough to cause an mixing problems? I have to agree with you, just draining and refilling would be the easiest why, i just want to make sure there won't be any issues with the two different coolants. thanks again
 
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thanks for the reply Drew

Do you think there will be any problems with small amount of left over coolant trapped in in the engine and it mixing with the new coolant. Two different brands so they are probably two different chemistries. The fleet coolant in there now is pink and could be some type of dexcool I am thinking. I am going with either Zerex Original or G05. Will the little amount of the old coolant left in the engine from just draining not be enough to cause an mixing problems? I have to agree with you, just draining and refilling would be the easiest why, i just want to make sure there won't be any issues with the two different coolants. thanks again

Sheesh. Once I had a coolant hose blow on my 1995 Integra GS-R. I limped home and borrowed a car to buy a replacement coolant hose that very night. I had Havoline Dex-Cool in the garage and figured it wouldn't be too bad. I didn't worry too much about mixture since it was pretty much all expelled when the hose burst. I thought I had blown a head-gasket or something - there was so much coolant fog everywhere. The plastic radiator tank (made by Showa Aluminum) eventually cracked, but I don't think that could be attributed to the coolant type used.

Most Japanese makes (pre extended life) came with recommendations to do 30-45K mile drain and fill without running water through the system. Some don't even recommend it with new coolants. Honda's extended-life Type 2 coolant only comes in a diluted form, so there's no concentrated version to bring it up to a 50/50 mixture if a flush was performed. A flush might be something reasonable if you can use the same coolant type down the line, after an initial flush to reduce trace of the original coolant.
 
Originally Posted By: SR77
thanks for the reply Drew

Do you think there will be any problems with small amount of left over coolant trapped in in the engine and it mixing with the new coolant. Two different brands so they are probably two different chemistries. The fleet coolant in there now is pink and could be some type of dexcool I am thinking. I am going with either Zerex Original or G05. Will the little amount of the old coolant left in the engine from just draining not be enough to cause an mixing problems? I have to agree with you, just draining and refilling would be the easiest why, i just want to make sure there won't be any issues with the two different coolants. thanks again


I don't think there will be any problem especially if you do routine cooling system maintenance - draining or flushing and refilling every few years. Just for piece of mind you could drain the radiator after you drive it a few times to make sure you have the highest concentration of new antifreeze in there.
 
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