The opposite of accidental is intentional. Do you believe this was intentional?Accident, no. Negligence, yes.
No. It isn’t.This would be like being charged with involuntary manslaughter when the service writer at Discount Tire hands you your keys after a set of tires are installed and a wheel comes off making you wreck and kill a cyclist because the tire jockey forgot to tighten the lug nuts.
I think yes and no. There were procedures and rules for using a gun that were not followed. This is more like whether or not the service writer should be charged if there was a policy that he check with the mechanic that the vehicle was in fact finished, he didn't, and it turns out the mechanic hadn't gotten to putting all the lug nut back on, and that resulted in the death of the customer. In this case, I think the service writer should be charged.This would be like being charged with involuntary manslaughter when the service writer at Discount Tire hands you your keys after a set of tires are installed and a wheel comes off making you wreck and kill a cyclist because the tire jockey forgot to tighten the lug nuts.
You're incorrect and everything else being posted right now does not matter. We are talking law here, not rules, no this person should have, could have, would have or anything to do with tires on a car *LOL* come on already, read the meaning below, cut and dry.The opposite of accidental is intentional. Do you believe this was intentional?
Still trying to figure out how one person who committed one murder gets charged with two counts for the same act. I get the MS charges for the people who erroneously “verified” the gun, but still… how does the law get two counts for a single crime?Interesting as they always expected charges to be filed, they seem quite confident justice will be served.
(please no politics) This is just law and order information. Yes, it was an accident but actions ended up killing someone. (involuntary)
Again. No.I think yes and no. There were procedures and rules for using a gun that were not followed. This is more like whether or not the service writer should be charged if there was a policy that he check with the mechanic that the vehicle was in fact finished, he didn't, and it turns out the mechanic hadn't gotten to putting all the lug nut back on, and that resulted in the death of the customer.
Easy there big buy...all I did was ask a question.You're incorrect and everything else being posted right now does not matter. We are talking law here, not rules, no this person should have, could have, would have or anything to do with tires on a car *LOL* come on already, read the meaning below, cut and dry.
Maybe this will help you and everyone else =
"The first type of involuntary manslaughter occurs when a defendant recklessly or negligently commits an act that results in the death of another person. Recklessness usually means that the defendant was aware of the risk that they were creating, while negligence usually means that the defendant was not aware of the risk but reasonably should have been aware of it."
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I don't think intentional, and while it is the opposite, negligence is the gray area that applies here. Kind of like if you are speeding in your car, lose control and kill someone. Did you do it intentionally? No, but your lack of care while operating a vehicle resulted in someone else's death.The opposite of accidental is intentional. Do you believe this was intentional?
I think this also has to do with him being the director at the time, the person who is responsible for ensuring the safety of the entire set.Again. No.
That’s not how guns are handled safely and that’s not analogous to what happened here.
I hand you a gun, you have a duty to check its condition.
You have a duty to avoid pointing it at others.
You have a duty to avoid pulling the trigger.
You pick up one of my guns - and fail in all those ways - and you’re the one responsible.
Baldwin assumed it was unloaded. He wasn’t given the gun, he picked it up.
And assumed it was unloaded.
A severe, negligent, stupid mistake.
Both I, and the law, disagree.This would be like being charged with involuntary manslaughter when the service writer at Discount Tire hands you your keys after a set of tires are installed and a wheel comes off making you wreck and kill a cyclist because the tire jockey forgot to tighten the lug nuts.
Easy here too...I think we're saying the same thing. I just pointed out that the analogy I was replying to was not accurate and a more accurate analogy that fits the facts of this case would be a service writer assuming something was done, not following procedure by not verifying it was done, and that lack of following procedure being the cause of death of another person.Again. No.
That’s not how guns are handled safely and that’s not analogous to what happened here.
I hand you a gun, you have a duty to check its condition.
You have a duty to avoid pointing it at others.
You have a duty to avoid pulling the trigger.
You pick up one of my guns - and fail in all those ways - and you’re the one responsible.
Baldwin assumed it was unloaded. He wasn’t given the gun, he picked it up.
And assumed it was unloaded.
A severe, negligent, stupid mistake.
Not sure you if read this = https://www.justia.com/criminal/offenses/homicide/involuntary-manslaughter/I think this also has to do with him being the director at the time, the person who is responsible for ensuring the safety of the entire set.
Involuntary manslaughter occurs when a defendant recklessly or negligently commits an act that results in the death of another person. Recklessness usually means that the defendant was aware of the risk that they were creating, while negligence usually means that the defendant was not aware of the risk but reasonably should have been aware of it.The opposite of accidental is intentional. Do you believe this was intentional?
Esoteric criminal law stuff, but plainly probably charging in the alternative, or lesser included offenses with different elements of the crime, different theories of exactly what occurred, etc. In this case he might be charged based on his leadership role at the studio, and in the alternative as the actual shooter. It's done frequently, and sometimes one conviction cancels the other theory out. Sometimes, they are combined in the end into 1 crime.Still trying to figure out how one person who committed one murder gets charged with two counts for the same act. I get the MS charges for the people who erroneously “verified” the gun, but still… how does the law get two counts for a single crime?
Where did I ask about involuntary or reckless? I was asking someone who posted that this was not accidental if they really felt it wasn't accidental?Involuntary manslaughter occurs when a defendant recklessly or negligently commits an act that results in the death of another person. Recklessness usually means that the defendant was aware of the risk that they were creating, while negligence usually means that the defendant was not aware of the risk but reasonably should have been aware of it.
Earlier news reports indicated that the revolvers used in the movie were being used with live ammunition between takes for target practice. If true then Baldwin would have been aware that live ammo was present on the set and could have been used in the revolver he pointed that day. If the prosecution can prove this that is a textbook legal definition of negligence, if not recklessness. Live ammo on the set where revolvers are used that are not dummies but are actual firearms is a HUGE violation of all safety protocols.