Aircraft carrier collides with cargo ship? How does this happen?

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WASHINGTON − A U.S. aircraft carrier collided with a cargo ship Wednesday evening in the eastern Mediterranean Sea near Port Said, Egypt, the service's Sixth Fleet announced.

So it appears there was a collision between an aircraft carrier and a cargo ship. I was wondering how this happens? and the ramifications of such a collision.

I realize there is a difference between Maritime cargo traffic and an enemy attack, but seems concerning.
 
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Wow. Apparently either someone was asleep at the wheel or total equipment failure. I don't think that ocean going vessels have an "ATC" of sorts but alarms should have been going off.
 
No warning flares ????

No helicopters scrambled ???

No machine gun fire to warn cargo ship ???

Something is not right. :unsure:

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Where’s the multiple layers of leadership on carrier and why aren’t many heads on a swivel especially after USS Cole attack ?

24/7/365 they have to be aware they are a target, no excuses.
 
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That would make it tough for cruise ships (or almost any ship) in San Diego Harbor.
I actually rented a small boat in San Diego harbor years ago - like 18 feet - for the day. The rental company said give way to the Navy ships. I be like "duhhh" :ROFLMAO:

However a US port is pretty different than the Mediterranean near Egypt.
 
No warning flares ????

No helicopters scrambled ???

No machine gun fire to warn cargo ship ???

Something is not right. :unsure:

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Where’s the multiple layers of leadership and why aren’t many heads on a swivel ?
There are multiple layers of leadership.

I’m certain many heads were on a swivel, and I’m certain mistakes were made on both ships.

But the US Navy does not go firing on civilian ships as a warning method. That’s a lot like shooting your gun at your neighbor because he’s about to run his car over your flowers.

Depending on where this happened, whether it was near a port, or out on the open ocean, the Navy has many other ways of warning ships that do not involve lethal force. Near a port, the carrier has small escorts, and helicopters, to guard against threats, and warn other shipping.

Lethal force will be used, if a vessel presents a legitimate, lethal threat to the carrier. Iran, in particular likes to challenge our Navy with small boats, presenting a threat. But a blundering cargo ship that failed to change course is just that, a blundering cargo ship, not a threat that can be dealt with by force.

However, once the ships are fairly close, even shooting at the other ship with a machine gun makes no difference. You cannot stop a carrier, or a super tanker, or a cargo ship, instantly. Even if you put lethal missiles through it, it would take a while to sink, and the collision would still happen. So, what’s the point of shooting at them?

As far as the measures that the carrier took to warn the other ship, that will have to wait for the investigation. As far as who was the stand on, who was the right of way, vessel, that will have to wait for the investigation. The carrier has the right of way when it’s conducting Flight operations, but I haven’t seen anything in news reports that said they were, or were not, conducting flight operations.

It takes a couple of minutes to to get a helicopter in the air from an alert status. If you knew the collision was minutes away, and you had enough time to launch a helicopter, you probably had enough time to turn the ship, to alter course, and to alter speed to avoid the collision.

If you didn’t have enough time to alter course or alter speed to avoid the collision, then you also did not have enough time to get a helicopter in the air.

Further, even if you did get the helicopters in the air, it does not mean that the crew on the other ship is paying attention.

We don’t know if that crew was paying attention, or not, if they had a propulsion or steering failure that rendered them unable to change course, or if there was a language barrier on the Ship to Ship common radio frequency, where they were unable to communicate their inability to steer or control their vessel.

In fact, we really don’t know much at all right now, and we will have to wait for the investigation.
 
There are multiple layers of leadership.

I’m certain many heads were on a swivel, and I’m certain mistakes were made on both ships.

But the US Navy does not go firing on civilian ships as a warning method. That’s a lot like shooting your gun at your neighbor because he’s about to run his car over your flowers.

Depending on where this happened, whether it was near a port, or out on the open ocean, the Navy has many other ways of warning ships that do not involve lethal force. Near a port, the carrier has small escorts, and helicopters, to guard against threats, and warn other shipping.

Lethal force will be used, if a vessel presents a legitimate, lethal threat to the carrier. Iran, in particular likes to challenge our Navy with small boats, presenting a threat. But a blundering cargo ship that failed to change course is just that, a blundering cargo ship, not a threat that can be dealt with by force.

However, once the ships are fairly close, even shooting at the other ship with a machine gun makes no difference. You cannot stop a carrier, or a super tanker, or a cargo ship, instantly. Even if you put lethal missiles through it, it would take a while to sink, and the collision would still happen. So, what’s the point of shooting at them?

As far as the measures that the carrier took to warn the other ship, that will have to wait for the investigation. As far as who was the stand on, who was the right of way, vessel, that will have to wait for the investigation. The carrier has the right of way when it’s conducting Flight operations, but I haven’t seen anything in news reports that said they were, or were not, conducting flight operations.

It takes a couple of minutes to to get a helicopter in the air from an alert status. If you knew the collision was minutes away, and you had enough time to launch a helicopter, you probably had enough time to turn the ship, to alter course, and to alter speed to avoid the collision.

If you didn’t have enough time to alter course or alter speed to avoid the collision, then you also did not have enough time to get a helicopter in the air.
Clearly I have no real idea, but I would think a carrier would have a number of escort vessels that provide a perimeter. Am I wrong in that, or is it only used at certain times?
 
Clearly I have no real idea, but I would think a carrier would have a number of escort vessels that provide a perimeter. Am I wrong in that, or is it only used at certain times?
Yes, they almost always have escort vessels, and they certainly do when transiting in and out of port.

But again, we don’t know the circumstances of this.

We don’t know the location, we don’t know anything about the other ship. We don’t know what warning measures were used, we don’t know what steering and course corrections the carrier took, or the other ship took, or didn’t take.

If your escort vessel is a 34 foot patrol boat, providing the perimeter, and a 650 foot tanker, that weighs over 1000 times more than your patrol boat, fails to respond to the boat’s horn and verbal warning, what exactly do you expect that patrol boat to do?
 
Thanks for the explanation. (y)

I added USS Cole comment after you pressed the reply tab.

I know they are not in a war zone but they can NOT be complacent and must be proactive with security.
 
Yes, they almost always have escort vessels, and they certainly do when transiting in and out of port.

But again, we don’t know the circumstances of this.

We don’t know the location, we don’t know anything about the other ship. We don’t know what warning measures were used, we don’t know what steering and course corrections the carrier took, or the other ship took, or didn’t take.

If your escort vessel is a 34 foot patrol boat, providing the perimeter, and a 650 foot tanker, that weighs over 1000 times more than your patrol boat, fails to respond to the boat’s horn and verbal warning, what exactly do you expect that patrol boat to do?
I have no real clue what I would do - I am not naval savvy. However to turn the tables - what if some non friendly gets control of a 100,000 ton cargo ship? I would think the Navy has procedures for how to deal with this sort of situation, hence my surprise that such a ship was even able to get anywhere near. I am assuming in fact they did but they broke down at some point?
 
Thanks for the explanation. (y)

I added USS Cole comment after you pressed the quote tab.

I know they are not in a war zone but they can NOT be complacent and must be proactive with security.
I don’t disagree.

But we don’t know whether or not the crew of the USS Truman were complacent, or made a mistake, or did everything right.

We really don’t know anything yet.

But, eight years ago, the Navy undertook an effort to go back to the very basics of seamanship. The article I linked had some details.

Full disclosure, I was never qualified to con a carrier, but I have spent time on the bridge. Conning a ship with all of the traffic in crowded water space like the mouth of the Suez canal, is an extremely dynamic, and challenging, environment.

In that part of the world, there are literally hundreds of ships within a 50 mile radius, and they are all moving, you can see the ships over 250 tons, on AIS, but all of the small boats make for a very complex navigation and safety problem.

Again, we don’t know if the cargo vessel was displaying AIS correctly, if the cargo vessel was communicating correctly, if they were navigating by the rules of the road. They may have been incompetent, or they may have been deliberate in targeting the carrier, or they may have made a mistake.

We just don’t know.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_identification_system

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:32.1/centery:34.1/zoom:6
 
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I have no real clue what I would do - I am not naval savvy. However to turn the tables - what if some non friendly gets control of a 100,000 ton cargo ship? I would think the Navy has procedures for how to deal with this sort of situation, hence my surprise that such a ship was even able to get anywhere near. I am assuming in fact they did but they broke down at some point?
That is one possibility.
 
Would you think this is enough to relieve the Captain of his command? The Navy is not too forgiving.
The Navy is very unforgiving. I would expect the CO to be relieved, pending the results of the investigation, of course. The CO is fully, and ultimately, responsible for everything that happens on the ship.

If the officer of the deck, or the helmsman, for example, made a mistake, that is ultimately the fault of the commanding officer, who provided for their training, and qualified them, and then assigned them to perform those critical roles on the ship.

The Commanding Officer on a US Navy ship has ultimate authority, but they also have the ultimate responsibility, and accountability.
 
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