Air Conditioning Compressor cycling

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I have an '06 Grand Caravan ( still under warranty )with the automatic Climate Control system. Recently I have noticed the air compressor cycling when the system is in manual mode ( non-auto mode ) without the air conditioning or the defrost switched on. I hadn't encountered that before. In fact, I have always thought that was the so-called "economy mode" in which the compressor would not cycle unless the air conditioning or the defrost was switched on. I understand the auto mode cycles the compressor as the system determines it necessary. I just normally prefer it in manual and turn on the air or defrost when I decide it's time.

When I noticed it cycling, I took it to the dealer service I bought it from. They said "that's completely normal". I made sure they understood that it was in non-auto mode, but they insisted it will cycle the compressor in non-auto mode. I may be wrong, but that doesn't seem right to me. Can anyone confirm or refute the dealer?
 
Some cars will turn on the AC compressor when the blower fan is set to certain modes (other than defrost and AC). Current gen Civics, for example, will turn on the AC compressor whenever the vents are set to floor only.

Kinda stupid. I think they're trying to make sure your windows never fog up even if you're unaware of how to prevent it. Is it possible the minivan is doing the same thing?
 
Thanks for the reply. Could be that I suppose. I wonder, though, because I'm fairly sure this is a recent development. The van has 30k miles and I usually get attuned to how a car is behaving and it's noticable when something changes. I'll experiment a bit with fan and vent settings and see what happens. I agree, if that's it, it is stupid. Why lose gas mileage and power when it's not necessary?

I'm kinda undecided if I'd get the auto system again anyway. We like the auto temp control, but neither my wife or I care for its choices of fan speed and vent settings. Not to mention that if it's in split-vent mode, it puts out cool air thru the uppers and warm thru the lowers. Mostly a problem in the 40 to 60 outside temp range. Oh well, there are a lot of worse problems one could have. Thanks for the suggestion.
 
I agree it sounds wasteful. Perhaps it's explained by a thorough read of the owner's manual? (I'm not accepting the usual stealership phrase "They all do that.")
 
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Hopefully the explanation will be simple. I know what you're saying about the auto system. It seems nice in theory to be able to set the target temp and let the system deal with the fans and AC but I've come to the conclusion that I'm just too obsessive about knowing what the car's doing all the time to be able to put up with such visible automation :)
 
Well, here is what I know now. I took the van back to the dealer and said, "How about humoring me and having an HVAC tech check my system?" After telling me again it was normal for the system to cycle the compressor while in manual mode, he said ok, we'll look at it. The result of that was that the tech reported he ran all the diagnostics; there were no codes and the system was running normally. The service writer enjoyed telling me that. I thanked him and left.

Because this had only started happening recently, I decided to dig into it a bit more with the assumption that the system was really in auto mode, not manual even though the "auto" icon was not showing. Here's what I found: the owners guide says that the auto mode "offers a full range of manual override capability for each function". ie. the user can switch from the systems chosen fan speed or vent distribution while other aspects of the system remain in auto mode. AND, if you change any one setting the "auto" icon on the display will disappear. So, what's hidden in this explanation that they don't really explain is that the absence of the "auto" icon doesn't necessarily mean that you're in manual mode. It could mean that you're just not in full auto mode ie. you've chosen your own fan speed, for example. In the meantime, the compressor is cycling because it assumes you still want the remaining auto functions. Not a bad assumption necessarily, it's just that the icon ( or lack of it ) is no longer a reliable indicator. They should just leave it on or change it in some way if they feel they just have to remind you that you've ignored the systems choice of fan speed or whatever.

Now for the interesting part: the owner's guide doesn't mention how to switch the system to full manual which would mean the compressor won't cycle unless you turn on the defrost or manually select the air conditioning. By fiddling around I found a way: From within auto mode ( the icon is on or even if it's off if you've changed the fan speed for example,) MANUALLY select the air conditioning ( even if the compressor is already cycling ). This causes a "snowflake" icon to appear on the display. Now, manually press the air button again. Presto, the snowflake disappears and the system goes into full manual with no more compressor cycling until you call for it by selecting defrost, air conditioning or ( I think I'll just never do this again ) selecting "auto" .

I'm convinced that sometime in the last 6 or 8 weeks we got it in auto mode then we ( and by "we", I mean "my wife") changed a fan speed or vent setting causing the "auto" icon to disappear. Then when we recently made a trip to Deleware from Ohio I thought it was in manual, but kept hearing the compressor cycling. That's when I started digging into this.

I've run through this several times now and it works that way every time. The owners guide certainly doesn't make it clear and the dealership people don't know it or don't wan't to be bothered to explain it. One of my buddies asked me if I was going back and tell the service writer about this. No way do I need the aggravation. His eyes would glaze over. It's just too easy to keep saying, "that's completely normal." Anyway, if I'd just been clairavoyant enought to devine what the service manual writer hid deep between the lines, I would have missed this challenging puzzle.

In spite of my general dislike for the auto mode, I do like the automated temperature control ( which continues to function in manual mode ) and it's split driver/passenger temp settings. I also am aware that you can get the split temps in a fully manual system. Probably would be the best for me and just change the heat/cool setting as I need.

Sorry about the long post. I didn't have time to write a shorter one.
 
The AC compressor is turned on for various vent settings, not just defrost.
It also has a thermostat switch so it doesn't engage the AC clutch below about 40 def F. You notice it now because it is warmer out, and it is engaging.
 
Yeah,I don't doubt that it has all those features in automode. My point is that they can be defeated and the system "put to sleep", by manually turning on the air conditioning and then turning it off so that it functions just like a traditional manual HVAC system except with the auto temperature control still in effect. One caveat here; the auto temperature control is only good until the outside temperature reaches about 70 degrees. Then,the car interior will start to get hot unless you manually turn on the air conditioning because the compressor definitely won't come on by itself. And that's ok. There would be no point in having an "economy" mode ( Chrysler's word ) unless it operated like one. It's a moot point in real hot weather , since you have the compressor on most of the time anyway whether you're in auto or manual.

I'm just happy to understand how it really works.
 
It is like the system in our MDX, except we have "Full Auto" and "Auto" indicators.

When you switch to Auto, the system also allows you to "tweak" the settings that you do not like about what the climate control computer chooses to do. For example, in "Full Auto" mode the computer seems to prefer face and floor vents, but we can press a "Mode" button to switch it to windshield. We can also manually adjust the fan speed while staying in Auto so that the temperature blend is still computer adjusted.

The difference in the Caravan is the lack of a (non-Full) Auto indicator.
 
The AC compressor clutch cycles to engage and disengage the compressor in order to prevent icing of the evaporator. It does this based on information received from the low side pressure switch. It's normal.
 
In the girlfriend's Murano, any time it's in recirculate the AC compressor runs. I know they don't want the windows fogging up but it's annoying. The TL gives me complete manual control.
 
Originally Posted By: rationull
Some cars will turn on the AC compressor when the blower fan is set to certain modes (other than defrost and AC). Current gen Civics, for example, will turn on the AC compressor whenever the vents are set to floor only.

Kinda stupid. I think they're trying to make sure your windows never fog up even if you're unaware of how to prevent it. Is it possible the minivan is doing the same thing?
Thanks a lot for posting that! Ever since we bought our '99 Escort we have noticed that the compressor seems to always be on (nice cold air even though A/C was not selected). The dealership could not figure it out, and we eventually looked at all the Escorts on the lot (maybe five of them left because the Focus was taking over) - all of them did the same. NINE years later, based on your post, I have figured out that the face vents setting is the only setting where the compressor will not cycle.

Who the heck designed that?!?
 
Thanks to everyone who responded to this thread. It's good to understand how the auto mode works when it's in charge and even better to have a manual mode for when you want to be in charge.
 
I put a kill switch in, inline with the (high?) pressure cutoff switch plainly visible on the AC metal line. One can fiddle with theirs as I'm sure the system is the same on practically everything. Find a two-wire connector that's usually pretty easy to find and unplug it; if that kills it snip either wire and set your switch up in series.

Do this on my GMs as I like fresh air in the defroster vents not blowing on me. Plus in certain clammy conditions the AC causes fog OUTSIDE the windshield, that I then have to use the wipers to get rid of. Aggravating.

Have heard of some dodges (neons?) where the fan "off" is at 12 oclock and if one backs off to 11 or 10 oclock they get AC but 1 or 2 oclock has the same fan speed w/o AC. The difference is white vs blue labelling of the fan speed digits.
 
Originally Posted By: eljefino

Do this on my GMs as I like fresh air in the defroster vents not blowing on me. Plus in certain clammy conditions the AC causes fog OUTSIDE the windshield, that I then have to use the wipers to get rid of. Aggravating.


Fog on the outside is just a result of your windshield temp being below the dew point. That is a direct result of temperature setting inside the car, not because the AC is running. Running the AC helps prevent a fog and film from building up on the inside of the windshield. You still need to set the temperature accordingly to avoid exterior fogging.
 
Originally Posted By: badtlc
Originally Posted By: eljefino

Do this on my GMs as I like fresh air in the defroster vents not blowing on me. Plus in certain clammy conditions the AC causes fog OUTSIDE the windshield, that I then have to use the wipers to get rid of. Aggravating.


Fog on the outside is just a result of your windshield temp being below the dew point. That is a direct result of temperature setting inside the car, not because the AC is running. Running the AC helps prevent a fog and film from building up on the inside of the windshield. You still need to set the temperature accordingly to avoid exterior fogging.


Get in a cold car on a clammy day and there's no heat in the heater core to blend in to defog the outer windscreen. Regardless of what "they" think I "need" I know when AC helps and I know when it hurts my visibility and economy. AC kill switch helps.
 
Speaking of weird, my Camaro will only do recirculate in max ac mode which is dash vents only. It is actually in the manual that they do that because under normal circumstances it would make the air too dry without introducing fresh air-maybe in Detroit but not in Texas. Likewise, the heater settings do not allow for recirc. I hacked the vacuum settings and put a vacuum solenoid switch in the line so that I could choose recirc. or fresh in any mode. This keeps me cool in the summer and also keeps me from being poisoned by 1970's painters vans exhaust in traffic in the winter time.
 
Originally Posted By: eljefino
Originally Posted By: badtlc
Originally Posted By: eljefino

Do this on my GMs as I like fresh air in the defroster vents not blowing on me. Plus in certain clammy conditions the AC causes fog OUTSIDE the windshield, that I then have to use the wipers to get rid of. Aggravating.


Fog on the outside is just a result of your windshield temp being below the dew point. That is a direct result of temperature setting inside the car, not because the AC is running. Running the AC helps prevent a fog and film from building up on the inside of the windshield. You still need to set the temperature accordingly to avoid exterior fogging.


Get in a cold car on a clammy day and there's no heat in the heater core to blend in to defog the outer windscreen. Regardless of what "they" think I "need" I know when AC helps and I know when it hurts my visibility and economy. AC kill switch helps.


Maybe it is just your car. I never have had a problem with my cars and they run the A/C when on defrost mode.
 
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