A new 2025 BMW R12s motorcycle due at dealer in Sept 2025 is mine if I want it.

Hermann

Hermann

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Putting this in this forum as it would die in motorcycles forum. Made an early inquiry in March and was told not to hold my breath. Two weeks ago, the dealer tagged my name to a unallocated order. Yesterday the allocation was approved and I have first crack at it. Not everybody's cup of tea but I like the way it looks and the bike is fully loaded. It's Cafe Racer styled, with a comfortable upright seating position. Bike has top of the line brand name suspension components front and rear. The 109 HP 1170cc air cooled Boxer is the time tested engine. In typical BMW fashion TPMS is the only not standard feature. Totally mind baffling. My current modern BMW is a fine machine, reliable, full fairing and a good mid size road presence. Looking to upgrade and spend some of my retirement money.
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Looks like a sporty modern day Cafe Racer. I like it a lot, but appears to be somewhat of a niche bike.

What type of riding do you envision. Additionally, I thought I saw somewhere that the R - bikes were going to 1300 cc's this year or next.
 
RoadDukie said:
9aLooks like a sporty modern day Cafe Racer. I like it a lot, but appears to be somewhat of a niche bike.

What type of riding do you envision. Additionally, I thought I saw somewhere that the R - bikes were going to 1300 cc's this year or next.
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It is a niche bike but unlike the Original R90s it has a very humane riding position. On the videos I have watched, even the old fat guy like me on the Biker Torque channel review, is sitting nearly upright. Without a big fairing, the slight forward lean could be beneficial. Several reviewers have said this is a limited production bike. Others say it can be ordered with a longish wait time.

This bike uses the original R1200 air/oil cooled engine first used in 2004 ish GS. The water cooled R1200 series has grown twice and now is 1300cc.

A synopsis of my riding is well maintained country roads and short blasts on the interstate. The interstates around here are racetracks, and are avoided most of the time. Average ride is 40 miles. I appreciate handling response more than outright power, hence my interest in the premium suspension.
 
Hermann said:
I have a Shoei RF-700 in orange.
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I have an RF700 that I wore in the 90's. It is very old. The EPS liner in particular deteriorates over time. It is highly recommended to replace any helmet at 5 years in-service, as they do deteriorate, and their ability to protect as well if needed, also deteriorates.

Racing organizations, even at the club level, don't allow helmets older than 5 years in service to be used, for that very reason. They won't protect as well in the event of a crash, and won't pass tech.

I have all my old helmets that I keep as a reminder of the great rides I had while wearing them. But the out-of-date ones are for display only.

It's your life, and ultimately none of my business what you do, but I'd really suggest replacing that ancient helmet with a new one.
 
@02SE I received it as a gift from the Shoei rep in 1997, for selling lots of helmets, when I worked at a Powersports dealer for about 2 years. High visibility wearers bought a lot of them. I wear it once a year on Halloween if weather permits. Weird that people follow me with spray Cool Whip and a fork. It is stored in the original packing in a heated windowless garage.. Also I do ride without a helmet once in awhile. I appreciate your concern about my safety, Different strokes for different folks.

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Yes, my old RF700 also LOOKS great on the outside. The EPS in particular deteriorates over time, even just sitting. While it LOOKS fine, it will not perform as originally designed.

Shoei is even more conservative than the recognized industry standard, with their helmet lifespan recommendations: https://www.shoei.com/worldwide/en/support/faq/common/others.html

I won't keep harping on this as you're an adult with free will. I just thought you might like to know the reality of using that ancient helmet.
 
02SE said:
Yes, my old RF700 also LOOKS great on the outside. The EPS in particular deteriorates over time, even just sitting. While it LOOKS fine, it will not perform as originally designed.

Shoei is even more conservative than the recognized industry standard, with their helmet lifespan recommendations: https://www.shoei.com/worldwide/en/support/faq/common/others.html

I won't keep harping on this as you're an adult with free will. I just thought you might like to know the reality of using that ancient helmet.
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Thanks, I've known that for that many years also. That helmet has less than 50 hours of use over 30 years.
 
Hermann said:
Thanks, I've known that for that many years also. That helmet has less than 50 hours of use over 30 years.
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Okay.

For the sake of those who are unaware, it's not necessarily the hours of use (although use can speed up the process). It's the time which has passed since the shock-absorbing EPS was made. The shock absorbing material deteriorates over time regardless of whether the helmet is ever worn. That's why Arai states that a helmet that has sat in it's box in a climate-controlled warehouse for up to 2 years, can still be considered new, and used for 5 years. 7 years total from the date of manufacture.

The hardened EPS in a 30 year old helmet isn't going to absorb energy like it was originally designed to.
 
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