This is continued from another thread. Why would the Fram XG9837 filter have an ADBV, but the PH9837 and TG9837 filters do not?
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Motorking is no longer with FRAM:
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...lo-and-goodbye-to-my-old-job#Post5050994
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...lo-and-goodbye-to-my-old-job#Post5050994
Answered previously in link.
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...32085/re-fram-tg9837-no-adbv#Post3332085
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...32085/re-fram-tg9837-no-adbv#Post3332085
Jay is no longer with us, but, I believe the answer is that it's a vertically mounted filter for GM applications that's mounted next to the oil pan that really doesn't NEED an ADBV, but (as in all oil filters) one doesn't hurt anything. The 6.2 GM diesel in my sig uses a PH/TG/XG2, a common SBC (& other GM) size. It doesn't have an ADBV, but I've seen other oil filters for it that have one.
I knew he left Fram (I even commented in that thread), but hoped he was still posting and could shed some light.
I can't think of any application where an ADBV is a bad thing regardless of where it's mounted.
I can't think of any application where an ADBV is a bad thing regardless of where it's mounted.
Another warning for Fram (that they'll never see). Motor King played a bigger role in raising the rep of your products with influencers than you'll ever know.
Originally Posted by csandste
Another warning for Fram (that they'll never see). Motor King played a bigger role in raising the rep of your products with influencers than you'll ever know.
Yup. I converted over to Fram Ultra's from EA's because of the information he provided me.
Another warning for Fram (that they'll never see). Motor King played a bigger role in raising the rep of your products with influencers than you'll ever know.
Yup. I converted over to Fram Ultra's from EA's because of the information he provided me.
Originally Posted by csandste
Another warning for Fram (that they'll never see). Motor King played a bigger role in raising the rep of your products with influencers than you'll ever know.
I would argue that this board is the only place that I have seen positive opinions on Fram. He didn't improve the reputation of Fram anywhere but here, but I don't use FB, IG or Twitter. I watch a lot of YouTube and it is nothing but Fram chirps as far as the eye can see.
If people find this board and find out the truth about Fram, then he did a good job. Those cardboard end caps will always attract YouTubers who are starving for something to whine about to generate clicks.
"FRAM FILTERS HATE THIS"
Another warning for Fram (that they'll never see). Motor King played a bigger role in raising the rep of your products with influencers than you'll ever know.
I would argue that this board is the only place that I have seen positive opinions on Fram. He didn't improve the reputation of Fram anywhere but here, but I don't use FB, IG or Twitter. I watch a lot of YouTube and it is nothing but Fram chirps as far as the eye can see.
If people find this board and find out the truth about Fram, then he did a good job. Those cardboard end caps will always attract YouTubers who are starving for something to whine about to generate clicks.
"FRAM FILTERS HATE THIS"
Originally Posted by PimTac
I am guessing that Jay is staying on the side of caution by not posting. That would include non Fram discussions.
Since he has a non-compete agreement, I'd say he cant answer questions about fram only general automotive questions?
I am guessing that Jay is staying on the side of caution by not posting. That would include non Fram discussions.
Since he has a non-compete agreement, I'd say he cant answer questions about fram only general automotive questions?
Originally Posted by RDY4WAR
I knew he left Fram (I even commented in that thread), but hoped he was still posting and could shed some light.
I can't think of any application where an ADBV is a bad thing regardless of where it's mounted.
An ADBV is never a bad thing, as is an in-filter bypass valve (even for engines that have one in the block)-but the cheaper filters aren't going to get an ADBV if one isn't a requirement (as MK said in the other thread). I'll look sometime at my filter stash & see what other PH5 equivalents have an ADBV in them, Bosch & Puro come to mind.
I knew he left Fram (I even commented in that thread), but hoped he was still posting and could shed some light.
I can't think of any application where an ADBV is a bad thing regardless of where it's mounted.
An ADBV is never a bad thing, as is an in-filter bypass valve (even for engines that have one in the block)-but the cheaper filters aren't going to get an ADBV if one isn't a requirement (as MK said in the other thread). I'll look sometime at my filter stash & see what other PH5 equivalents have an ADBV in them, Bosch & Puro come to mind.
Before MotorKing, the Original Bobistheoilguy had something on the site webpage that Fram oil filters were superior because they had the greatest flow. Had a test procedure.
This is in line with a number of HVAC technicians who have told me that the highest rated filters restrict air and are a major cause of needless repair calls.
This was during the early days of this forum when the original MOPAR Fram basher made a brief appearance.
This is in line with a number of HVAC technicians who have told me that the highest rated filters restrict air and are a major cause of needless repair calls.
This was during the early days of this forum when the original MOPAR Fram basher made a brief appearance.
Originally Posted by maxdustington
Originally Posted by csandste
Another warning for Fram (that they'll never see). Motor King played a bigger role in raising the rep of your products with influencers than you'll ever know.
I would argue that this board is the only place that I have seen positive opinions on Fram. He didn't improve the reputation of Fram anywhere but here, but I don't use FB, IG or Twitter. I watch a lot of YouTube and it is nothing but Fram chirps as far as the eye can see.
If people find this board and find out the truth about Fram, then he did a good job. Those cardboard end caps will always attract YouTubers who are starving for something to whine about to generate clicks.
"FRAM FILTERS HATE THIS"
There are a bunch of engineering type logical critical thinkers on BITOG ... that's why this board views Frams in a more realistic light.
Originally Posted by csandste
Another warning for Fram (that they'll never see). Motor King played a bigger role in raising the rep of your products with influencers than you'll ever know.
I would argue that this board is the only place that I have seen positive opinions on Fram. He didn't improve the reputation of Fram anywhere but here, but I don't use FB, IG or Twitter. I watch a lot of YouTube and it is nothing but Fram chirps as far as the eye can see.
If people find this board and find out the truth about Fram, then he did a good job. Those cardboard end caps will always attract YouTubers who are starving for something to whine about to generate clicks.
"FRAM FILTERS HATE THIS"
There are a bunch of engineering type logical critical thinkers on BITOG ... that's why this board views Frams in a more realistic light.
Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
There are a bunch of engineering type logical critical thinkers on BITOG ... that's why this board views Frams in a more realistic light.
I agree, but I wonder if Fram picked the perfect time to market to this board during the nadir of Puro quality. Perhaps the pendulum will swing back the other way in the future?
There are a bunch of engineering type logical critical thinkers on BITOG ... that's why this board views Frams in a more realistic light.
I agree, but I wonder if Fram picked the perfect time to market to this board during the nadir of Puro quality. Perhaps the pendulum will swing back the other way in the future?
Originally Posted by maxdustington
Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
There are a bunch of engineering type logical critical thinkers on BITOG ... that's why this board views Frams in a more realistic light.
I agree, but I wonder if Fram picked the perfect time to market to this board during the nadir of Puro quality. Perhaps the pendulum will swing back the other way in the future?
There were a lot of Purolator fans here (me included) because of their high efficiency, and also because the old false tale that they were "too flow restrictive" was myth busted.
Then the media tearing started happening, the people who liked PureOnes for the high efficiency oil filters naturally gravitated to the Fram Ultra when people started seeing the build construction (backed up by C&Ps), filtering performance, price and availability. It was pretty much a natural no-brainer at that point.
Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
There are a bunch of engineering type logical critical thinkers on BITOG ... that's why this board views Frams in a more realistic light.
I agree, but I wonder if Fram picked the perfect time to market to this board during the nadir of Puro quality. Perhaps the pendulum will swing back the other way in the future?
There were a lot of Purolator fans here (me included) because of their high efficiency, and also because the old false tale that they were "too flow restrictive" was myth busted.
Then the media tearing started happening, the people who liked PureOnes for the high efficiency oil filters naturally gravitated to the Fram Ultra when people started seeing the build construction (backed up by C&Ps), filtering performance, price and availability. It was pretty much a natural no-brainer at that point.
Well, to answer the original question (why the XG has a ADV and the TG and PH don't on this model), now that I look at the bottom of them I think I know why.
The fiber endcaps of the TG and PH filters will seal against the base plate, the metal endcap of the XG will not, so the ADV is more of just a gasket than an ADV.
At least that is my theory.
edit: guess I was right, I just read Motorkings response in the other thread.
The fiber endcaps of the TG and PH filters will seal against the base plate, the metal endcap of the XG will not, so the ADV is more of just a gasket than an ADV.
At least that is my theory.
edit: guess I was right, I just read Motorkings response in the other thread.
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Originally Posted by blupupher
Well, to answer the original question (why the XG has a ADV and the TG and PH don't on this model), now that I look at the bottom of them I think I know why.
The fiber endcaps of the TG and PH filters will seal against the base plate, the metal endcap of the XG will not, so the ADV is more of just a gasket than an ADV.
At least that is my theory.
edit: guess I was right, I just read Motorkings response in the other thread.
The fiber end caps are not sealing anything that a ADBV would seal. There is a fixed gap between the base plate and end cap ... the end caps don't move.
Well, to answer the original question (why the XG has a ADV and the TG and PH don't on this model), now that I look at the bottom of them I think I know why.
The fiber endcaps of the TG and PH filters will seal against the base plate, the metal endcap of the XG will not, so the ADV is more of just a gasket than an ADV.
At least that is my theory.
edit: guess I was right, I just read Motorkings response in the other thread.
The fiber end caps are not sealing anything that a ADBV would seal. There is a fixed gap between the base plate and end cap ... the end caps don't move.
The inside of the baseplate is convex with inlet holes. The rubber valve would allow sealing because metal on that pretty rough steel crowned surface wouldn't be very good. The others have the fiber to seal on the crown of the baseplate. Or they just made a goof.
I suspect that part of his severance package, is some sort of non compete clause. I bet he may not post here for a while, you don't want to put your severance package money at risk over a few online posts. He probably cannot say much about fram right now.
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