Llama Comanche III .357 Magnum
A good quality .357 mag revolver
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Originally Posted By: Papa Bear
Llama Comanche III .357 Magnum
Llama is out of business for almost 10 years now. Also they have a very bad history with spotty quality control and parts for any repairs are going to be nearly non existant. Also...grips are going to be hard to get.
He would be better off with a Taurus or even a Rossi...atleast they have lifetime warranties and some aftermarket support.
Llama Comanche III .357 Magnum
Llama is out of business for almost 10 years now. Also they have a very bad history with spotty quality control and parts for any repairs are going to be nearly non existant. Also...grips are going to be hard to get.
He would be better off with a Taurus or even a Rossi...atleast they have lifetime warranties and some aftermarket support.
Originally Posted By: FastGame
Originally Posted By: Slick17601
The S&W will also hold value much better.
On Gun Broker it looks like the GP 100 and 686 hold their price about the same ????
Are they SELLING for the same amount or are they just listed for the same amount? Some people out there keep trying to sell AR's for the 2012/2013 panic prices...but no one is buying.
Originally Posted By: Slick17601
The S&W will also hold value much better.
On Gun Broker it looks like the GP 100 and 686 hold their price about the same ????
Are they SELLING for the same amount or are they just listed for the same amount? Some people out there keep trying to sell AR's for the 2012/2013 panic prices...but no one is buying.
I'm going off completed transactions. The GP cost less than the 686 but sold as used they both hold their value (purchase price) close to each other. Of coarse there are some collector 686's with high prices. I going off standard models.
Gun Broker prices like them or not they are reality.
Gun Broker prices like them or not they are reality.
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Originally Posted By: hotwheels
Here is a video about the self-cocking Webley revolver that I mentioned. I love the design and function, but those guns can easily cost $10,000 nowadays.
hotwheels
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSPIhHFtLX0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNfgoAJiFBQ
That's pretty cool for the day.
Here is a video about the self-cocking Webley revolver that I mentioned. I love the design and function, but those guns can easily cost $10,000 nowadays.
hotwheels
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSPIhHFtLX0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNfgoAJiFBQ
That's pretty cool for the day.
Originally Posted By: dblshock
gotta have a nice rig for it too..
http://www.epsaddlery.com/pc-22-29-cheyenne-rig-holster-and-belt.aspx
DA is over rated, very inaccurate. When you have only one choice how could it not be the iconic Colt SAA? with the right leather rig you not only have ample home protection you bear a classic piece of history..hanging on the bedpost you'll dream of horses, saloons, whiskey, bar girls, steer, saddles, coyotes and campfire.. all included in the price.
gotta have a nice rig for it too..
http://www.epsaddlery.com/pc-22-29-cheyenne-rig-holster-and-belt.aspx
DA is over rated, very inaccurate. When you have only one choice how could it not be the iconic Colt SAA? with the right leather rig you not only have ample home protection you bear a classic piece of history..hanging on the bedpost you'll dream of horses, saloons, whiskey, bar girls, steer, saddles, coyotes and campfire.. all included in the price.
Originally Posted By: dblshock
Originally Posted By: dblshock
gotta have a nice rig for it too..
http://www.epsaddlery.com/pc-22-29-cheyenne-rig-holster-and-belt.aspx
DA is over rated, very inaccurate.
Very inaccurate? How so?
Clearly this guy thinks you're wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIwVK_FxGZk
Originally Posted By: dblshock
gotta have a nice rig for it too..
http://www.epsaddlery.com/pc-22-29-cheyenne-rig-holster-and-belt.aspx
DA is over rated, very inaccurate.
Very inaccurate? How so?
Clearly this guy thinks you're wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIwVK_FxGZk
Double Action is not inaccurate. The pull is longer and heavier, but that is it. If you have good technique then there is no problem. Police departments for over 70 years used double action revolvers and trained to shoot them double action.
probably should have worded that differently...not the mechanical unit(pistol)itself but I believe it's the human squeezing motion going on that causes inaccuracies, most DA shots are adversely affected by this and would benefit from the far more steady SA motion.
now if it's something you did on a regular daily basis of course in time you'd get better at it..
now if it's something you did on a regular daily basis of course in time you'd get better at it..
Originally Posted By: dblshock
probably should have worded that differently...not the mechanical unit(pistol)itself but I believe it's the human squeezing motion going on that causes inaccuracies, most DA shots are adversely affected by this and would benefit from the far more steady SA motion.
now if it's something you did on a regular daily basis of course in time you'd get better at it..
Of course single action is slower and I would sure hate to be stuck in a gunfight with a Colt Peacemaker when it came time to reload it. In the old days I guess I would have been a S&W break top guy for that reason alone.
probably should have worded that differently...not the mechanical unit(pistol)itself but I believe it's the human squeezing motion going on that causes inaccuracies, most DA shots are adversely affected by this and would benefit from the far more steady SA motion.
now if it's something you did on a regular daily basis of course in time you'd get better at it..
Of course single action is slower and I would sure hate to be stuck in a gunfight with a Colt Peacemaker when it came time to reload it. In the old days I guess I would have been a S&W break top guy for that reason alone.
Originally Posted By: dblshock
no gun will do everything, but for the money the Colt SAA is really a neat possession considering all it does well.
I would love to have an SAA...in .45, naturally!
But it wouldn't be my first choice for self defense. The SA trigger pull is slow, and would require extensive training to become instinct. The DA pull is standard, and requires no retraining to fire when in a gunfight. People great overestimate their ability to perform when the adrenaline is pumping. I wouldnt set myself up for failure by having a needlessly complex manual of arms in a self defense weapon.
no gun will do everything, but for the money the Colt SAA is really a neat possession considering all it does well.
I would love to have an SAA...in .45, naturally!
But it wouldn't be my first choice for self defense. The SA trigger pull is slow, and would require extensive training to become instinct. The DA pull is standard, and requires no retraining to fire when in a gunfight. People great overestimate their ability to perform when the adrenaline is pumping. I wouldnt set myself up for failure by having a needlessly complex manual of arms in a self defense weapon.
+1 on Ruger GP-100, and another +1 to cashmoney concerning using Pachmayer grips. If you get all the practice you should, so that you can double-tap accurately, you'll not like the hard slap of the wood grips.
If you haven't gotten into reloading, a .357 is easy to start with. I would advise a turret press, but not a progressive to start with. The advantage is that you can make plinking/target ammunition (which is unobtanium) and hunting loads to your heart's content.
If you haven't gotten into reloading, a .357 is easy to start with. I would advise a turret press, but not a progressive to start with. The advantage is that you can make plinking/target ammunition (which is unobtanium) and hunting loads to your heart's content.
Originally Posted By: dblshock
like to see you do that! lol!
Almost every gun I've shot, I'm the weak link. If I can do my job, I know the gun will hit the target. One of my next purchases will be a S&W 642. I'll try Jerry's shot when I get it..........
I have a S&W 686 with a 4 inch barrel. It is still one of my favorite guns. You really can't go wrong with a Smith or a Ruger.
like to see you do that! lol!
Almost every gun I've shot, I'm the weak link. If I can do my job, I know the gun will hit the target. One of my next purchases will be a S&W 642. I'll try Jerry's shot when I get it..........
I have a S&W 686 with a 4 inch barrel. It is still one of my favorite guns. You really can't go wrong with a Smith or a Ruger.
Originally Posted By: Or
I've had about a dozen or more different .357 revolvers over the years, and have about 4 now. My all-time favorite for balance, handling, quality is the S&W 686 4" I have pricier ones (3.5" S&W 27, 2.5" S&W 19, etc) but that is the "best" at it's job as long as concealed carry is not the primary objective. There is a reason it is called the "Python killer" - it drove Colt out of the revolver business because it was too good and too cheap vs. the competition.
That said, they have climbed in price the last few years and Ruger makes a reliable, good gun if you can't get a good example of the 686. You can get it in nickel in the 586 variant but they are much rarer and hard to find; I do want to track one down someday myself.
Vs. the cost of the gun, grips are cheap and don't let the fact a gun might have grips you don't like on it keep you from buying it if the gun is otherwise good. Kim Ahrends makes some quality wood grips affordably so if you need some for a wheel gun, look at his stuff as an option. There are many options on grips but that is an easy go-to one.
Shooting a revolver accurately in DA fire is much harder IMO than an auto. I recommend a lot of dry-fire practice to learn the pull and develop the muscle memory. I started shooting a S&W 67 4" stainless .38 special at the range about almost 20 years ago as a training aid vs. 1911 shooting. Took me a long time to become competent, but then I was hooked on them. Love both equally but the skill sets are slightly different in the hold and trigger action. So be prepared for some work and slight disappointment or frustration at first.
Awesome post!
Thanks BISCUT and all. A 4" non-blued finish with six in the wheel sounds perfect. I'll look into this S&W you all speak so highly of, but a Ruger may win out if it is ALOT more affordable.
If it is less reliable I will not get it, but if it just requires more maintenance, I could swing that. Ever since my P95 jammed one single time, I never trusted it and thought a lot less of it. I DO want a perfect gun, but at a dollar a round I will probably not be firing it very often. So, I can skimp on a less than perfect feel or the most beautiful finish, but not of assurance of fire.
I've had about a dozen or more different .357 revolvers over the years, and have about 4 now. My all-time favorite for balance, handling, quality is the S&W 686 4" I have pricier ones (3.5" S&W 27, 2.5" S&W 19, etc) but that is the "best" at it's job as long as concealed carry is not the primary objective. There is a reason it is called the "Python killer" - it drove Colt out of the revolver business because it was too good and too cheap vs. the competition.
That said, they have climbed in price the last few years and Ruger makes a reliable, good gun if you can't get a good example of the 686. You can get it in nickel in the 586 variant but they are much rarer and hard to find; I do want to track one down someday myself.
Vs. the cost of the gun, grips are cheap and don't let the fact a gun might have grips you don't like on it keep you from buying it if the gun is otherwise good. Kim Ahrends makes some quality wood grips affordably so if you need some for a wheel gun, look at his stuff as an option. There are many options on grips but that is an easy go-to one.
Shooting a revolver accurately in DA fire is much harder IMO than an auto. I recommend a lot of dry-fire practice to learn the pull and develop the muscle memory. I started shooting a S&W 67 4" stainless .38 special at the range about almost 20 years ago as a training aid vs. 1911 shooting. Took me a long time to become competent, but then I was hooked on them. Love both equally but the skill sets are slightly different in the hold and trigger action. So be prepared for some work and slight disappointment or frustration at first.
Awesome post!
Thanks BISCUT and all. A 4" non-blued finish with six in the wheel sounds perfect. I'll look into this S&W you all speak so highly of, but a Ruger may win out if it is ALOT more affordable.
If it is less reliable I will not get it, but if it just requires more maintenance, I could swing that. Ever since my P95 jammed one single time, I never trusted it and thought a lot less of it. I DO want a perfect gun, but at a dollar a round I will probably not be firing it very often. So, I can skimp on a less than perfect feel or the most beautiful finish, but not of assurance of fire.
No such thing as a perfect gun. Guns of any type can break or jam. Sometimes it is not because of the gun, but the ammo. I have had three jams with my Steyr auto over the course of 10k rounds. All were due to ammo.
The Rugers are tougher than a comparable S&W medium frame, albeit a bit less refined. It is rumored that when Ruger got into the game they had one massive failure of the gun on testing with overloaded ammo and then added more meat(metal) everywhere. Ruger has always built tough as nails and practical guns, and sometimes that meant sacrificing elegance or perfect ergonomics.
The Rugers are tougher than a comparable S&W medium frame, albeit a bit less refined. It is rumored that when Ruger got into the game they had one massive failure of the gun on testing with overloaded ammo and then added more meat(metal) everywhere. Ruger has always built tough as nails and practical guns, and sometimes that meant sacrificing elegance or perfect ergonomics.
Ok. There is a gun show nearby this weekend. I guess I will be on the lookout for a 686 or GP100. We might have some guns to barter with, so I'll let ya know this weekend if anything goes on.
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