A CHINESE made BUICK! Get your warranty slip handy
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Yawn. Globalist salad with anecdotal dressing...
I've owned and own some Chinese-made products that are excellent and SOTA whether that's the result of the management, parent company, specific engineering or government subsidies that get it to that level. I've also owned cheap [censored] that was generally identified and sold as cheap [censored].
Personally, I wouldn't be presumptuous to the level of describing a Chinese-made Buick as needing a warranty binder if they're made to the same standards with potentially newer equipment and a workforce that ultimately doesn't differ much from UAW workers and their processes. I'm not a big fan of China but you can knee-jerk all day long until we see the final product. I would agree with the idea that Buick as a brand might not exist today if not for its popularity in the Chinese market.
I've owned and own some Chinese-made products that are excellent and SOTA whether that's the result of the management, parent company, specific engineering or government subsidies that get it to that level. I've also owned cheap [censored] that was generally identified and sold as cheap [censored].
Personally, I wouldn't be presumptuous to the level of describing a Chinese-made Buick as needing a warranty binder if they're made to the same standards with potentially newer equipment and a workforce that ultimately doesn't differ much from UAW workers and their processes. I'm not a big fan of China but you can knee-jerk all day long until we see the final product. I would agree with the idea that Buick as a brand might not exist today if not for its popularity in the Chinese market.
My father(retired) was an executive at US company in China and his company car was an amazingly nice Cadillac SLS (Caddy STS streched) that was built in China. They also had these Buick Vans as company cars:
http://blog.caranddriver.com/suck-it-car...jing-auto-show/
They all seemed really nice for GM vehicles when I visited my dad and used them to get about for some touring.
http://blog.caranddriver.com/suck-it-car...jing-auto-show/
They all seemed really nice for GM vehicles when I visited my dad and used them to get about for some touring.
Manufacturing in China has earned a rather dubious reputation after exporting a lot of low quality and sometimes dangerous products to the US and other countries. Anyone calling another person a "racist" for this is a troll and is adding nothing meaningful to the debate.
China has become a refuge for low cost manufacturing. It has nothing to do with the race of the people working in the factories there. China has a huge supply of poor, working class people willing to work for low pay, plus a government that imposes very little regulation (no equivalents to the EPA or Obamacare) on businesses. These manufacturing companies basically make what they are contracted to make. They can do cheap, low quality junk or they can do high quality. Many of the companies that have outsourced their manufacturing to China have gone overboard on cutting costs, to the extent that low quality products have hurt their brands.
China has become a refuge for low cost manufacturing. It has nothing to do with the race of the people working in the factories there. China has a huge supply of poor, working class people willing to work for low pay, plus a government that imposes very little regulation (no equivalents to the EPA or Obamacare) on businesses. These manufacturing companies basically make what they are contracted to make. They can do cheap, low quality junk or they can do high quality. Many of the companies that have outsourced their manufacturing to China have gone overboard on cutting costs, to the extent that low quality products have hurt their brands.
Originally Posted By: lubricatosaurus
We assume they might put out shoddy quality because of past performance.
One not need look further than the first generation of Hyundai products, which were brought to the US. The Excel, that had quality/design that was slightly better than a Yugo.
Now take a look at how Hyundai is doing...
We assume they might put out shoddy quality because of past performance.
One not need look further than the first generation of Hyundai products, which were brought to the US. The Excel, that had quality/design that was slightly better than a Yugo.
Now take a look at how Hyundai is doing...
I wonder how many conservative American (OK, I'll say it: OLDER) buyers will notice the "Made in China" label, which is required by law to be revealed on the window sticker. I think its going to turn a lot of patriotic people off.
And just because one objects to Chinese violations of human rights, pollution, the trade deficit, currency manipulation, military island-building, communist oppression, poor quality reputation, intentional orbital space debris creation, industrial espionage, etc., etc., etc., doesn't make that person a racist.
And just because one objects to Chinese violations of human rights, pollution, the trade deficit, currency manipulation, military island-building, communist oppression, poor quality reputation, intentional orbital space debris creation, industrial espionage, etc., etc., etc., doesn't make that person a racist.
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True. Note that if Volvo AB decided to close the plants in Sweden, there'd be h$ll to pay putting that many people out of work. Just look at what happened when SAAB-auto went Tango Uniform.
Then again, the Crown is already in trouble...
Then again, the Crown is already in trouble...
There is a current Volvo model sold in the USA that is assembled in China. It is the 2015 S60 Inscription.
Don't you get a Chinese trans in your mustang?
Are not Jetta/Golf transxle Chinese and the engine Yugo?
NO Im dead serious. Not saying its good, just that ...
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They're Here!
Are not Jetta/Golf transxle Chinese and the engine Yugo?
NO Im dead serious. Not saying its good, just that ...
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They're Here!
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Originally Posted By: SumpChump
http://money.cnn.com/2015/12/09/autos/gm-chinese-built-car/index.html
To be sold in the USA, a Chinese Buick. I wonder if it comes with it's own build sheet showing the chemical sewage behind the factory or the 14 hour workers.
It'll be funny to see the recalls for ... oh, small things... like the gas tank being lied about and made from an inferior plastic than originally specified. Corner cutting on welds... etc.
Old news and a repost
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...ina#Post3937800
http://money.cnn.com/2015/12/09/autos/gm-chinese-built-car/index.html
To be sold in the USA, a Chinese Buick. I wonder if it comes with it's own build sheet showing the chemical sewage behind the factory or the 14 hour workers.
It'll be funny to see the recalls for ... oh, small things... like the gas tank being lied about and made from an inferior plastic than originally specified. Corner cutting on welds... etc.
Old news and a repost
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...ina#Post3937800
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Chinese firms can make good things and they can make cheap things depending on the level for which they are paid.
Exactly! Most people forgot about this.
Buick has nearly the same reputation as Lexus and Audi over there and the customers are willing to pay for the quality. In the US, not quite, so GM has to cheap out the US version to compete.
Chinese market is not the same as the US, they have a very bipolar distribution where a lot of poorer folks buy whatever the cheapest they can get by with and suffer the consequence, then there is a group of consumers that avoid these bottom of the cheapest quality by overpaying for quality and reputation, way more than what US consumers are willing to pay for. A Chinese Buick will be in the second category rather than the first, just like air mail delivered baby formula directly from New Zealand and Netherland.
In the end, GM will not be building it over there if the yield is not better than Mexico, they are the one that has to eat the warranty cost and yield lost on the line.
Chinese firms can make good things and they can make cheap things depending on the level for which they are paid.
Exactly! Most people forgot about this.
Buick has nearly the same reputation as Lexus and Audi over there and the customers are willing to pay for the quality. In the US, not quite, so GM has to cheap out the US version to compete.
Chinese market is not the same as the US, they have a very bipolar distribution where a lot of poorer folks buy whatever the cheapest they can get by with and suffer the consequence, then there is a group of consumers that avoid these bottom of the cheapest quality by overpaying for quality and reputation, way more than what US consumers are willing to pay for. A Chinese Buick will be in the second category rather than the first, just like air mail delivered baby formula directly from New Zealand and Netherland.
In the end, GM will not be building it over there if the yield is not better than Mexico, they are the one that has to eat the warranty cost and yield lost on the line.
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The Chinese will make what ever the customer specifies, junk or quality. When it comes to high tech and quality they can be a match for anything made anywhere in the world. Blame the customer that contracts for the products/work for junk, not the Chinese.
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
If it does well cutting costs they'll probably make Chevy over there too.
One model of engine in the Equinox has been made in China since 2005 or so.
If it does well cutting costs they'll probably make Chevy over there too.
One model of engine in the Equinox has been made in China since 2005 or so.
Originally Posted By: OneEyeJack
The Chinese will make what ever the customer specifies, junk or quality. When it comes to high tech and quality they can be a match for anything made anywhere in the world. Blame the customer that contracts for the products/work for junk, not the Chinese.
That said, control of the whole supply chain is difficult to do. John Deere isn't having great luck with their Chinese and Indian tractors and they must have a fairly high specification of quality, in order to keep their reputation intact to justify their prices for their green paint...
Maybe things are changing, but 5 years ago their were still companies in the oil and gas industry that would specifically state that there be nothing sourced from China or India at all in a project.
The cost saving wasn't worth the hassle of having some high pressure pipe in the middle of a off shore rig in the middle of no where fail...
Its possible a China Buick will be fine, but if they use a lot of local suppliers for critical items, GM better have a good testing program set up to detect the odd bad batch of widgets before they get installed.
The Chinese will make what ever the customer specifies, junk or quality. When it comes to high tech and quality they can be a match for anything made anywhere in the world. Blame the customer that contracts for the products/work for junk, not the Chinese.
That said, control of the whole supply chain is difficult to do. John Deere isn't having great luck with their Chinese and Indian tractors and they must have a fairly high specification of quality, in order to keep their reputation intact to justify their prices for their green paint...
Maybe things are changing, but 5 years ago their were still companies in the oil and gas industry that would specifically state that there be nothing sourced from China or India at all in a project.
The cost saving wasn't worth the hassle of having some high pressure pipe in the middle of a off shore rig in the middle of no where fail...
Its possible a China Buick will be fine, but if they use a lot of local suppliers for critical items, GM better have a good testing program set up to detect the odd bad batch of widgets before they get installed.
Originally Posted By: tenderloin
One model of engine in the Equinox has been made in China since 2005 or so.
Since 2005 or so: No. From 2005 to 2009: Yes.
The 3.5L V6 was made in China. It was made from 2005 to 2009. Since 2010, the 2.4L, 3.0L, and 3.6L used in the Equinox have been from the States.
Curiously, the 3.5L had none of the reliability problems it's 3.4L predecessor had, despite being built in China.
One model of engine in the Equinox has been made in China since 2005 or so.
Since 2005 or so: No. From 2005 to 2009: Yes.
The 3.5L V6 was made in China. It was made from 2005 to 2009. Since 2010, the 2.4L, 3.0L, and 3.6L used in the Equinox have been from the States.
Curiously, the 3.5L had none of the reliability problems it's 3.4L predecessor had, despite being built in China.
Originally Posted By: Wolf359
That may just be a racist attitude at work. Remember, pretty much all iphones come from China along with many other items. It's really up to the manufacturer to control the supply chain and to maintain QC. There's no real story here.
'Racist' and 'Racism' are two of the most OVERUSED words in our language....
That may just be a racist attitude at work. Remember, pretty much all iphones come from China along with many other items. It's really up to the manufacturer to control the supply chain and to maintain QC. There's no real story here.
'Racist' and 'Racism' are two of the most OVERUSED words in our language....
Does it have a fortune cookie in the glovebox?
Originally Posted By: lubricatosaurus
We assume they might put out shoddy quality because of past performance.
Your attempt to inject race into this discussion fails yet again.
As others mentioned, not all the goods coming out of China is of shoddy quality. To automatically assume that may be racists which was my original point. Buick actually ranks pretty high in many JDPowers surveys.
Originally Posted By: lubricatosaurus
What does "race" have to do with low quality of goods? Your mind works in odd ways.
You really think China has a good reputation for quality in general? Wow. Well, I guess we can't criticize them due to race issues. PC gone mad.
I was going to point out that the GM plants overseas contribute to this:
https://storify.com/ucirvine/made-in-china-air-pollution-as-well-as-exports
I guess that makes me a rascist!
You may be a racist and don't know it. When you automatically assume that it is inferior is when you have racists thoughts because nothing of good quality comes from China. As others mentioned, that's not necessarily true.
Originally Posted By: pbm
We assume they might put out shoddy quality because of past performance.
Your attempt to inject race into this discussion fails yet again.
As others mentioned, not all the goods coming out of China is of shoddy quality. To automatically assume that may be racists which was my original point. Buick actually ranks pretty high in many JDPowers surveys.
Originally Posted By: lubricatosaurus
What does "race" have to do with low quality of goods? Your mind works in odd ways.
You really think China has a good reputation for quality in general? Wow. Well, I guess we can't criticize them due to race issues. PC gone mad.
I was going to point out that the GM plants overseas contribute to this:
https://storify.com/ucirvine/made-in-china-air-pollution-as-well-as-exports
I guess that makes me a rascist!
You may be a racist and don't know it. When you automatically assume that it is inferior is when you have racists thoughts because nothing of good quality comes from China. As others mentioned, that's not necessarily true.
Originally Posted By: pbm
Wolf359 said:
[quote pbm]
'Racist' and 'Racism' are two of the most OVERUSED words in our language....
[quote wolf359]
I look forward to the day when it isn't. Maybe it's because there are so many out there and they don't even know it. Not everyone on here is white."
Not all 'racists' are white either but you would never know that if you listen to the (biased) mainstream media.....
'Racist' and 'Racism' are two of the most OVERUSED words in our language....
[quote wolf359]
I look forward to the day when it isn't. Maybe it's because there are so many out there and they don't even know it. Not everyone on here is white."
Not all 'racists' are white either but you would never know that if you listen to the (biased) mainstream media.....
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