A/C goes warm after engaging recirculate.

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This is in our 2015 Impala, had a couple recent threads on this vehicle but I believe it's an isolated incident. I listed the 2 threads if anyone wants to read up.






Quick history, AC would take a long time to engage when ambient was about 80 deg or more, then get warm as the vehicle slowed. Condenser was banged up a little, many folded fins, slow leak at high side Schrader, slightly larger leak at low side Schrader. Residue on compressor under line manifold, car has 140K miles.

Had the system evacuated and recharged at a shop, acted the same about an hour after the charge...but when blowing cold it would get down to about 42 deg at the vents.

So I replaced the condenser, compressor control solenoid, O rings at manifold, O ring at suction line junction before the compressor, and both schrader valves.

Pulled a good vacuum for 2 hours, and held the vacuum for 15 min. I recharged with 1.5 lbs of R134A, and it has been working fine for about 3 days now.

Now the issue is, we haven't used recirc yet, it gets down to 40-42 deg without it as ambient is around 65-70 deg. After driving for 30 min, we came to a stop, and turned on recirc....after about 15 sec, you could feel it get warm and humid in the cabin, and the temps went from 42 deg to 60 deg. Drove around and it slowly started to come down but not much, turn off recirc at the temp at the vents dropped to 42.

Parked car and did another drive a couple hours later, drove around with recirc off, temp set to LO, and vents were at 41-42 deg for 20 min, came to a stop and temps stayed at 42. Waited a couple min and turned on recirc, again in 10-15 sec, it got humid, and temps went to just over 60 deg at the vents. We let it idle and turned off recirc, after a min, temps dropped to 42 deg again.

Is this a mode door issue, or a problem with the control module? The clutch on the compressor I believe always is engaged with te AC on, and when it got warm it was still engaged.

At first I thought there was another leak, but it works perfect with the recirc turned off.
 
This is in our 2015 Impala, had a couple recent threads on this vehicle but I believe it's an isolated incident. I listed the 2 threads if anyone wants to read up.
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Is this a mode door issue, or a problem with the control module? The clutch on the compressor I believe always is engaged with te AC on, and when it got warm it was still engaged.

At first I thought there was another leak, but it works perfect with the recirc turned off.
If the compressor clutch is engaged when you put it on recirculate and it gets warm, the issue is with the mode door/blend door, not with the refrigeration system. Not familiar with the specific HVAC controls on a 2015 Impala, but I'd focus on the blend door temperature actuator(s) before diving into the control panel & module/BCM.
 
Blend door temp control is probably isolating the airflow around the evaporator and blowing warm cabin air around without cooling it. As @Nukeman7 stated, check actuators/motors for movement/limits.
 
I'll look into the actuators, also I wanted to mention, both temp control knobs work fine with controlling cabin temps....no large temp swings. Also the modes work as they should, face, feet, both, and defrost.

The only time it gets warm is with recirc....and that's with cold cabin air.

I also don't know if 2 or more doors move with recirc, that I will look into.
 
Sorry, didn't mean temp control with blend door actuator. I meant with the actuator(s) involved with, or the door/flap itself, that directs outside air or inside air around the cabin.
 
My fear is a small leak in the evaporator....but I don't smell anything from the vents. Also, it would work fine for 20 min then as soon as I press RECIRC, it goes to musty air and a 20 deg rise.

Also again today, it was about 78 deg ambient and after 10 min of idling the AC was not cooling, but once we started moving it went to 60 deg and ended up at 48 deg from the vents with no recirc..decent for 78 deg ambient. Then a second trip it was cooling to about 45 deg and when coming to a stop, it went warm again..60 deg at vents. Once moving again, it dropped to 45 deg and stayed that way for another 20 min.
 
This is starting to sound like a variable compressor with a control valve issue, especially now that your original problem has returned.
 
This is starting to sound like a variable compressor with a control valve issue, especially now that your original problem has returned.
After last night I also have to think there's something else going on.

With all the somewhat shorter drives, many traffic lights, I went out last night for an hour, drove 45 min in which most was on the highway...60-70 MPH.

Ambient was 65 deg, I had 42-43 deg at the vents without recirc the entire time, not one hiccup. I also turned on recirc a few times while at speed and it acted as it should. Air from vents was slightly colder at 40-42 deg...I did this about 3 times and same result.

After about 30 miles, I pulled off the highway and came to a stop, temps from vents quickly went to 55 deg and felt like the AC was off, slightly humid air from vents. I revved the engine to 1500 RPM which was the same as 60 MPH for about a minute and no change in temp. I started again and the temps went down again to 42-43 deg. I stopped again and temps went up, I popped the hood and saw the fans turning but not super fast, I could not hear them from outside standing in front with the hood closed.

So this somewhat rules out the blend/mode door and points to an airflow issue right?
 
If the vent air temps increase when you're stopped or driving slowly the problem could be the fan or fans that push air through the condenser.
 
This is starting to sound like a variable compressor with a control valve issue, especially now that your original problem has returned.

Forgot to mention in my last post that I did install a new solenoid into the compressor just in case.
 
Forgot to mention in my last post that I did install a new solenoid into the compressor just in case.
Taking a SWAG at your symptoms, I suspect you may have a defective thermal expansion valve (TXV). You will need to monitor the high and low side pressures while cycling between the recirculation and fresh air modes.

If the pressures change significantly in recirculation mode, your TXV may be freezing up or partially restricted. If partially blocked, the high side pressure may surge high enough to trip the high pressure cutout sensor. Monitoring the electrical signal from the high pressure sensor while simultaneously observing the system pressures can identify a TXV and/or pressure sensor issue.
 
I have a new expansion valve but could not get the center threaded post/bolt loose. Not enough room to clear the brake lines without removing it. I was applying enough force that I had to rethink the process to not damage the evaporator lines.

If I can get it loose I will surely change it and recharge the system.

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I would guess the compressor is not running for whatever reason during recirc. Have you verified it’s running when vent temps get warm?
 
I would guess the compressor is not running for whatever reason during recirc. Have you verified it’s running when vent temps get warm?
Yes, the clutch is turning but it's solenoid controlled so I think it will always turn if the AC is switched on, not 100%.

Hard to check today as the ambient is still only near 60.
 
Yes, the clutch is turning but it's solenoid controlled so I think it will always turn if the AC is switched on, not 100%.

Hard to check today as the ambient is still only near 60.
Does the suction line feel cold when the Ben temps are warm?
 
I would guess the compressor is not running for whatever reason during recirc. Have you verified it’s running when vent temps get warm?

Does the suction line feel cold when the Ben temps are warm?

Answering both your questions...today is a bit warmer, 67 deg ambient. Driving around temps at vent is 42-44 deg, came to a stop once and kept cooling, next stop the glass on the thermometer fogged up and it started warming up, made it to 50 deg.

Next couple miles were fine and I pulled into a parking lot and waited. Took about a minute and the temps climbed to 60 at the vent. I opened the hood and the compressor clutch was spinning, but the suction line was barely cool and the high pressure line was luke warm, and slowly cooled off. Compressor clutch remained engaged.

I shut the car off for 10 min, started it back up and temps at vent are 44 deg and holding. Suction line is cold and high pressure line is hot but not too hot you can't hold on to it...my guess 100-110 deg.

All this is with recirc off, if I turn recirc on the temps drop about 2 deg. Fan speed is low to medium.
 
Today the ambient was 75 deg, I started the engine and put AC on LO, no recirc, doors open, compressor is turning, and the suction line is barely cool, basically only a small perceived drop in temp.

After 7-8 min, I still had no cooling at the vents and temps were about 80 deg.

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So I turned the AC off then quickly back on. I immediately heard the engine go under a light load and the temps began to quickly drop. After about 2 min I had about 45 deg at the vents. Doors still open, no recirc, fan on medium.

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I then shut the car off, pulled the NEG cable for about 30 min. I wasn't able to test after that but will try to get a few drive cycles in today. Not sure where else to look at the moment.
 
You really need a set of gauges. That paint a much more accurate picture of what’s going on
 
You really need a set of gauges. That paint a much more accurate picture of what’s going on
I do, and I agree it's a bit counterproductive to try to diagnose without knowing the pressures.

I just wanted to toss out the fact it cooled as it should with a quick off/on cycle of the system.

I have to either get a new set of quick couplers or get the O-rings swapped as my high side coupler started leaking the day prior.
 
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