Alleged auto theft.
A bit much?
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There`s NO excuse whatsoever for a grown man to lay a finger on a 15 year old girl.
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Please ..we're in a gender neutral society here. Those days of viewing them as only virgins/nuns/mothers are long gone. Every son was some little kid playing teeball at one time (most were)..wearing diapers a bit earlier.
FWIW: I'd be just as upset (and have been) if a cop hassles my son. JUST as upset.
FWIW: I'd be just as upset (and have been) if a cop hassles my son. JUST as upset.
Looking at the video it most certainly appears the cop crossed the line.
But I don't care WHO it is that's been arrested, they still owe the respect due officers of the law. Period.
But I don't care WHO it is that's been arrested, they still owe the respect due officers of the law. Period.
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That's my basic take. Again, we can argue the reaction ..but not the trigger. That girl could have simply sat in her cell in civil obedience and we would not be discussing this. She could also have not been involved in the alleged crime that got her there.
At some point, regardless of the ultimate outcomes, she had a great deal of control over what happened to her. She exercised poor judgment at several key points. Now a few someone's will attempt to overshadow her civil negligence because of this incident.
She cannot say "See what he made me do!".
At some point, regardless of the ultimate outcomes, she had a great deal of control over what happened to her. She exercised poor judgment at several key points. Now a few someone's will attempt to overshadow her civil negligence because of this incident.
She cannot say "See what he made me do!".
I wholeheartedly agree, Gary.
So you're saying it's the kid's fault that a cop overreacted and assaulted her?
Respect is earned, not delegated. As far as I'm concerned this guy deserves none.
If your kid mouths off at you and kicks her shoe at you, are you going to knock her down, pound her head, yank her up by her hair?
If you did, you might end up in a cell of your own.
Respect is earned, not delegated. As far as I'm concerned this guy deserves none.
If your kid mouths off at you and kicks her shoe at you, are you going to knock her down, pound her head, yank her up by her hair?
If you did, you might end up in a cell of your own.
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Originally Posted By: MarkC
If your kid mouths off at you and kicks her shoe at you, are you going to knock her down, pound her head, yank her up by her hair?
If you did, you might end up in a cell of your own.
But bet she wouldn't be lipping off again, either...
If your kid mouths off at you and kicks her shoe at you, are you going to knock her down, pound her head, yank her up by her hair?
If you did, you might end up in a cell of your own.
But bet she wouldn't be lipping off again, either...
Don't know about that, it didn't seem to cure my sisters.
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Don't know about that, it didn't seem to cure my sisters.
Somehow I know this is true. That guy doesn't have daughters obviously. I think that 15 yo would have been best ignored for a bit......I'm sure she is no angel, maybe a few extra hours in the pokey to do the paperwork would have been much better.
Don't know about that, it didn't seem to cure my sisters.
Somehow I know this is true. That guy doesn't have daughters obviously. I think that 15 yo would have been best ignored for a bit......I'm sure she is no angel, maybe a few extra hours in the pokey to do the paperwork would have been much better.
I think you're right.
Indeed. The silent treatment for about 8 hours would likely have been more affective.
Aggression met with aggression in this case will likely only solidify the girls lack of respect for authority and good behavior.
OTOH, good ol solid [censored] whippings made kids who behaved well back in the day! Can't do that these days without getting sued.
Aggression met with aggression in this case will likely only solidify the girls lack of respect for authority and good behavior.
OTOH, good ol solid [censored] whippings made kids who behaved well back in the day! Can't do that these days without getting sued.
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So you're saying it's the kid's fault that a cop overreacted and assaulted her?
Not at all. Again, check yourself. If this had been Hugo the Homey mouthing off to the cop ..all dressed up in gangbanger garb with his pants hanging down to his knees ..you would probably not be saying this ..ESPECIALLY since you would be 100% convinced that he had indeed been involved in an auto theft. The same with most mutant contemporary types of the male persuasion.
Guess what? It's not just for boyz anymore.
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Respect is earned, not delegated. As far as I'm concerned this guy deserves none.
I totally agree. But wisdom is always hard learned. It comes with experience. This guy obviously lost his cool. We know not the precursors to the event ...and in the end ..we can ask no more from him than any human.
If you're into forgiving her for her trespasses (as they are apparently non-existent in our pondering here) ..then extend it to the human with the badge. I see that this girl was 100% functional and, other than being put in a holding cell, unscathed. This, by what we're privileged to view, wasn't a "statically abusive" officer. Otherwise she would have been thrown into the cell (or so I would imagine). This was a detainee that pushed one too many buttons.
Again, Washeed Jamboniehoslap ..or Washiba Jamboniehoslapped ..and you would not be reacting this way. It's because it appears like a normal teenage girl that we assume some level of innocence.
Stormtroopers? I think they do need to be eliminated from law enforcement.
So you're saying it's the kid's fault that a cop overreacted and assaulted her?
Not at all. Again, check yourself. If this had been Hugo the Homey mouthing off to the cop ..all dressed up in gangbanger garb with his pants hanging down to his knees ..you would probably not be saying this ..ESPECIALLY since you would be 100% convinced that he had indeed been involved in an auto theft. The same with most mutant contemporary types of the male persuasion.
Guess what? It's not just for boyz anymore.
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Respect is earned, not delegated. As far as I'm concerned this guy deserves none.
I totally agree. But wisdom is always hard learned. It comes with experience. This guy obviously lost his cool. We know not the precursors to the event ...and in the end ..we can ask no more from him than any human.
If you're into forgiving her for her trespasses (as they are apparently non-existent in our pondering here) ..then extend it to the human with the badge. I see that this girl was 100% functional and, other than being put in a holding cell, unscathed. This, by what we're privileged to view, wasn't a "statically abusive" officer. Otherwise she would have been thrown into the cell (or so I would imagine). This was a detainee that pushed one too many buttons.
Again, Washeed Jamboniehoslap ..or Washiba Jamboniehoslapped ..and you would not be reacting this way. It's because it appears like a normal teenage girl that we assume some level of innocence.
Stormtroopers? I think they do need to be eliminated from law enforcement.
I have a daughter (10). Leave me alone with this 'thing' and he'll wish he had never been born. Disgusting beyond belief
Wrong in this case Gary. I don't think police have the right to assault anybody like that, regardless of gender or gang affiliation. Their job is to apprehend suspected criminals, not pound on them unless they have to. In this case, they didn't have to.
Perhaps the broader issue here is the explosion of juvenile crime all over the country. Not just petty crimes but murder, assault, arson , car theft, home invasions and burglary, drug dealing, etc. They have zero respect for anyone or anything, and when caught they do their best to aggravate the authorities, probably on purpose.
Maybe that is the case here. The girl's crime is no longer the issue. Her "abuse' by the officer is. Her "plan" worked.
Maybe that is the case here. The girl's crime is no longer the issue. Her "abuse' by the officer is. Her "plan" worked.
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Wrong in this case Gary.
Well, let's ponder this a bit more.
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I don't think police have the right to assault anybody like that, regardless of gender or gang affiliation.
Well, I do agree to some extent, but I would judge the militant behavior as more aggravating and hostile. I would have little sympathy for them. One would be hard to demand 100% civility in the midst of this.
I, for example, think Rodney King got less than he deserved. He could have been justifiably shot dead. I'd never attempt to handle a 6' 9" 270lb violently hostile PCP crazed individual with padded gloves. OTOH, the cop that hassled that kid that was just driving around being a geeky juvenile got anything but what he deserved (video recorded the event).
In both Rodney's and this girl's situation, all that was required is that the peacefully submit to authority. No gain was possible in any other action. While we may be used to irrational behavior in these instances, I see no reason to exempt it from consequences of the behavior. We may argue the severity and draconian nature of the response, but not the behavior that triggered it. She legally assaulted an officer of the law. While you may call him a sissy for reacting to a shoe being thrown at him, I find no excuse whatsoever for her doing it.
Wrong in this case Gary.
Well, let's ponder this a bit more.
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I don't think police have the right to assault anybody like that, regardless of gender or gang affiliation.
Well, I do agree to some extent, but I would judge the militant behavior as more aggravating and hostile. I would have little sympathy for them. One would be hard to demand 100% civility in the midst of this.
I, for example, think Rodney King got less than he deserved. He could have been justifiably shot dead. I'd never attempt to handle a 6' 9" 270lb violently hostile PCP crazed individual with padded gloves. OTOH, the cop that hassled that kid that was just driving around being a geeky juvenile got anything but what he deserved (video recorded the event).
In both Rodney's and this girl's situation, all that was required is that the peacefully submit to authority. No gain was possible in any other action. While we may be used to irrational behavior in these instances, I see no reason to exempt it from consequences of the behavior. We may argue the severity and draconian nature of the response, but not the behavior that triggered it. She legally assaulted an officer of the law. While you may call him a sissy for reacting to a shoe being thrown at him, I find no excuse whatsoever for her doing it.
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Let me back up where my disposition comes from. I handled hundreds of (what would be termed) juvenile delinquents over a few years. There would be conflicts between them where violence occurred. The story was always the same. We'd go through the whole process of how the conflict escalated. It would always be fine ..."until". Then you got the offended party to admit their aggravating input into the scenario. Their input that they chose to inject into the volatile situation. They had the full option of peacefully addressing their anger in a more constructive manner, but they CHOSE violence (physical aggression/object aggression).
Rodney King could have just sat there and been cuffed. Story over.
This girl could have just sat down in the cell. Story over.
That geeky kid with all the video live streaming gear didn't do anything wrong. He made no poor choices beyond being in the wrong place at the wrong time with a cop in a really foul mood.
Again, the two (apparent) blows to the head after the take down were way out of line. If she were biting ..this may have been a reason why.
Rodney King could have just sat there and been cuffed. Story over.
This girl could have just sat down in the cell. Story over.
That geeky kid with all the video live streaming gear didn't do anything wrong. He made no poor choices beyond being in the wrong place at the wrong time with a cop in a really foul mood.
Again, the two (apparent) blows to the head after the take down were way out of line. If she were biting ..this may have been a reason why.
There was no need for the cop to even enter the room with the girl at that time, let alone do what he did. Indicative of a small person.
I get sick of hearing excuses for this kind of stuff. So what, if the kid called him every name in the book and flung her shoe at him? She's a 15 year old kid. He's an adult man who's supposed to be in control. He wasn't even in control of himself.
I get sick of hearing excuses for this kind of stuff. So what, if the kid called him every name in the book and flung her shoe at him? She's a 15 year old kid. He's an adult man who's supposed to be in control. He wasn't even in control of himself.
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That cop is reacting like a psychotic person. He's just not fit for the job if that's his response to a kid flicking her shoe at him. Imagine what that loon would do at a traffic stop to an old guy, for example Gary, who gives him lip!
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