A-10 Warthog-AKA-Thunderbolt II-Tank Buster

As Astro pointed, no.
They are slow and really not maneuverable. They pack a punch if no serious defense. In 1999 they were pretty much sitting on a side during operation Noble Anvil in Serbia. Country with very few mountains, mostly flat land, and trained anti aircraft defense crews. I saw A10 numerous times in Bosnia, and as part of anti aircraft crew, they seem pretty easy kill. I was though, on this side, but if that was the plane to target, they are easy. But, USAF never used them in areas where Serbs had serious anti aircraft capabilities, and were very selective targeting tanks. If tanks and artillery units were located near anti aircraft units, F15, F16 and F18 were used.
A10 works only if it has serious protection by other aircrafts, or those aircrafts sweeped ground from SAM's etc.

I thought that they were fairly maneuverable at low altitude. But the talk about an A-10 pilot just pointing its big gun at a fighter is just bizarre. No way would a faster fighter be baited into fighting on an A-10's terms.

In many ways I think Top Gun rather messed up the public perception of what air combat is. I get that they want to practice close dogfighting if it ever gets down to it, but everything I understand about modern air combat is that it's exceedingly rare.
 
Randy “Duke” Cunningham. A legend.

The carrier painting in my library is a sunset view of a VF-51 “Screaming Eagle” F-4 landing on Kitty Hawk.

Duke after a mission.
 
I thought that they were fairly maneuverable at low altitude. But the talk about an A-10 pilot just pointing its big gun at a fighter is just bizarre. No way would a faster fighter be baited into fighting on an A-10's terms.

In many ways I think Top Gun rather messed up the public perception of what air combat is. I get that they want to practice close dogfighting if it ever gets down to it, but everything I understand about modern air combat is that it's exceedingly rare.
I think maneuverable is in an eye of beholder. Yugoslavian J21 (light attack airplane) is more maneuverable. According to my friends, it was joy to fly, exceptional airplane to train pilots on. Does not have "thick" skin as A10, but it has much smaller profile.
But:


Excuse 70's mustaches at the end :)
 


I'm not sure about bringing up Duke Cunningham. Isn't he better known these days for all the wrong reasons? I heard he was well known for shameless self-promotion, including handing out autographed images of himself to people who didn't even know who he was. But I'll leave it at that.

However, what I'm getting at is that a lot of the talk about a fighter close-in dogfighting with an A-10 is silly. Ain't gonna happen.
 
I'm not sure about bringing up Duke Cunningham. Isn't he better known these days for all the wrong reasons? I heard he was well known for shameless self-promotion, including handing out autographed images of himself to people who didn't even know who he was. But I'll leave it at that.

However, what I'm getting at is that a lot of the talk about a fighter close-in dogfighting with an A-10 is silly. Ain't gonna happen.
There is nothing wrong with bringing him up. He did what he did. His post military life is used as one of better case studies in ethics.
 
Escort of a downed aircraft rescue package will always want to include A-10s.

Yes, that is one of the functions I supported.

I did not read extensively this thread, I saw some criticisms, but the A-10 is a close air support aircraft; the sky needs to be clear from the runway to the engagement area for it to do its job.

It was touted as having great loiter time. Get to the area, and it can 'hang out' for much longer than other planes and probably carry much more stuff IIRC; if you were on the ground you'd like to see them for a bit, not just for an impressive fast fly by (which might be required for other aircraft just to stay in the air) Probably should have been an Army flown aircraft if allowed as it functions solely in that area.

Loved by basically everyone who has dealt with them, it was affectionately referred to the only AF plane to experience bird strikes from the rear.
 
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Yes, that is one of the functions I supported.

I did not read extensively this thread, I saw some criticisms, but the A-10 is a close air support aircraft; the sky needs to be clear from the runway to the engagement area for it to do its job.

It was touted as having great loiter time. Get to the area, and it can 'hang out' for much longer than other planes and probably carry much more stuff IIRC; if you were on the ground you'd like to see them for a bit, not just for an impressive fast fly by (which might be required for other aircraft just to stay in the air) Probably should have been an Army flown aircraft if allowed as it functions solely in that area.

Loved by basically everyone who has dealt with them, it was affectionately referred to the only AF plane to experience bird strikes from the rear.

They would need to change the law on the Army having armed fixed wing aircraft. What do they have? Cargo planes and maybe a few VIP aircraft?
 
Yes, that is one of the functions I supported.

I did not read extensively this thread, I saw some criticisms, but the A-10 is a close air support aircraft; the sky needs to be clear from the runway to the engagement area for it to do its job.

It was touted as having great loiter time. Get to the area, and it can 'hang out' for much longer than other planes and probably carry much more stuff IIRC; if you were on the ground you'd like to see them for a bit, not just for an impressive fast fly by (which might be required for other aircraft just to stay in the air) Probably should have been an Army flown aircraft if allowed as it functions solely in that area.

Loved by basically everyone who has dealt with them, it was affectionately referred to the only AF plane to experience bird strikes from the rear.
I saw them a lot around Pale, Igman, Hadzici (infamous case of depleted uranium from 30mm and cancer in Italian IFOR contingent) in Bosnia. They are easy pray for any serious AA gun like ZU, PRG or Bofors. What people don't realize is that many times opponents do not shoot at these airplanes as it is not smart strategic move considering fire power US military packs and possible retaliation. All airplanes that for example Bosnian Serbs shoot down were due to alcohol or just plain insubordination. O'Grady was different case as his behavior was just too tempting.
 
I did not read extensively this thread, I saw some criticisms, but the A-10 is a close air support aircraft; the sky needs to be clear from the runway to the engagement area for it to do its job.

I'm not sure if this is realistic, but there was this movie made in China (English translation is "Sky Hunter") with the support of the PLAAF. My Chinese friends have said it's pretty much crap, but it's obviously a nod to Top Gun. But there are a few things that just seem odd and other stuff that may be based on other stuff. There's a brief look at the J-20, but that's not a big part other than barely showing the hardware. The Chinese pilots always have their visors up, but "foreign" fighter pilots are always faceless with their visors down. The primary fighter shown is the J-10, and they show it being used in close-air support training almost like an A-10.

Not all of this is CAS related, but I'm wondering what others might think of this portrayal.

1) [2:28] They intercept what looks like an EP-3 (no US markings though) with a couple of J-10s. Obviously based on the Hainan Island incident. However, nobody crashes and one pilot goes inverted and pulls out a small Chinese flag. There is some awkward sounding English such as "You're entering the Chinese airspace. Change course." However, the subtitles use proper grammar. The commander of the EP-3 also happens to be a woman.

2) [4:42] Then they somehow meet up with a couple of F-15s on their tails. And for some reason they claim the F-15s have locked on, but they start releasing chaff even no missile has been fired. They manage to get the upper hand with some weird flying where they fly in unison one on top of the other and manage to get on the tails of the F-15s including one guy pulling off a cobra maneuver for some reason. When one gets behind the F-15s start releasing chaff and flares. Then they drop their centerline fuel tanks before bolting. That scene reminded me of Air Force One where F-15s do that.

3) All the pilots and commanders walk around wearing bomber jackets for some reason, even during briefings.

4) They use a fictional country called Mahbu, where Chinese military are providing training to their military but terrorists (led by a rogue member of their military) take over a base with hostages. It's also really odd because the people in their military have vastly different accents speaking English. Some sound middle eastern, while others sound eastern European, English, or American.

5) [44:02] They show close-in air support training where the mission commander ordered the ground laser guidance cut off. And the pilot makes another pass where he uses his cannon at a tank.

6) [52:48] One pilot evades a SAM for about 50 seconds (wasn't that a problem in Behind Enemy Lines?) until the missile hits the side of a mountain. Later on his commander is blinded and somehow another pilot voice guides him back to their base. That seemed a bit unrealistic.

7) [1:39:10] Not sure what's happening other than one pilots intentionally rams into an enemy aircraft. chopping off the front, but with heavy damage to his own plane. After that stunt his canopy starts cracking, and it sounds like it's glass.

 
My son would love to fly one of these! Probably the best in the world at its given mission.
 
I'm not sure if this is realistic, but there was this movie made in China (English translation is "Sky Hunter") with the support of the PLAAF. My Chinese friends have said it's pretty much crap, but it's obviously a nod to Top Gun. But there are a few things that just seem odd and other stuff that may be based on other stuff. There's a brief look at the J-20, but that's not a big part other than barely showing the hardware. The Chinese pilots always have their visors up, but "foreign" fighter pilots are always faceless with their visors down. The primary fighter shown is the J-10, and they show it being used in close-air support training almost like an A-10.

Not all of this is CAS related, but I'm wondering what others might think of this portrayal.

1) [2:28] They intercept what looks like an EP-3 (no US markings though) with a couple of J-10s. Obviously based on the Hainan Island incident. However, nobody crashes and one pilot goes inverted and pulls out a small Chinese flag. There is some awkward sounding English such as "You're entering the Chinese airspace. Change course." However, the subtitles use proper grammar. The commander of the EP-3 also happens to be a woman.

2) [4:42] Then they somehow meet up with a couple of F-15s on their tails. And for some reason they claim the F-15s have locked on, but they start releasing chaff even no missile has been fired. They manage to get the upper hand with some weird flying where they fly in unison one on top of the other and manage to get on the tails of the F-15s including one guy pulling off a cobra maneuver for some reason. When one gets behind the F-15s start releasing chaff and flares. Then they drop their centerline fuel tanks before bolting. That scene reminded me of Air Force One where F-15s do that.

3) All the pilots and commanders walk around wearing bomber jackets for some reason, even during briefings.

4) They use a fictional country called Mahbu, where Chinese military are providing training to their military but terrorists (led by a rogue member of their military) take over a base with hostages. It's also really odd because the people in their military have vastly different accents speaking English. Some sound middle eastern, while others sound eastern European, English, or American.

5) [44:02] They show close-in air support training where the mission commander ordered the ground laser guidance cut off. And the pilot makes another pass where he uses his cannon at a tank.

6) [52:48] One pilot evades a SAM for about 50 seconds (wasn't that a problem in Behind Enemy Lines?) until the missile hits the side of a mountain. Later on his commander is blinded and somehow another pilot voice guides him back to their base. That seemed a bit unrealistic.

7) [1:39:10] Not sure what's happening other than one pilots intentionally rams into an enemy aircraft. chopping off the front, but with heavy damage to his own plane. After that stunt his canopy starts cracking, and it sounds like it's glass.


"Bit" is understatement.
 
That’s so awful it’s unwatchable. Unless, perhaps, you’re a teenager with zero understanding of tactical aviation.

The irony was that it was made by with a ton of cooperation with the PLA Air Force. It had China's biggest actress who was in trouble a couple of years ago for alleged tax evasion.

However, I was wondering what the point would be to release chaff or flares when a missile hasn't been fired. And the Chinese pilots never have their visors down. It really makes no sense that a pilot would drop external tanks in that situation.
 
The irony was that it was made by with a ton of cooperation with the PLA Air Force. It had China's biggest actress who was in trouble a couple of years ago for alleged tax evasion.

However, I was wondering what the point would be to release chaff or flares when a missile hasn't been fired. And the Chinese pilots never have their visors down. It really makes no sense that a pilot would drop external tanks in that situation.
Propaganda and reality are two things on opposite sides.
 
Propaganda and reality are two things on opposite sides.

Sure. I have heard of cases where there was a ton of cooperation with military in the making of a movie, or at least with some sort of expert who would ostensibly say "No that is not how it works." There was the infamous "Glock 7" from Die Hard 2, where their armorer saw the script and said it was wrong in so many ways. When the Secret Service cooperated making In the Line of Fire, they were trying to persuade the producers not to portray an attempt on the President. I'm sure when the US Navy cooperated with Top Gun, they weren't too happy about showing Maverick recklessly buzzing the tower.

The last one seemed to have a lot of coverage, including stories about how residents in the surrounding neighborhoods in San Diego were complaining about the noise. I've been there and heard some noise from routine operations, but I'm pretty sure flying that low to the ground is not normal at a military base unless there's an airshow. Heck - we had a situation a few years ago where a pilot was flying back to NAS Lemoore before being transferred to a different unit. He flew over Berkeley and told his brother (a UC Berkeley graduate student) to expect it. Not sure what the final disposition was, but there was a ton of PR trying to explain it.

Still - some of that stuff in "Sky Hunter" is not just unlikely (like buzzing the tower) but impossible such as surviving an intentional collision with another aircraft that shears off the cockpit. And a damaged canopy cracking like it's made out of glass. I would have thought the technical advisors would have told them that canopies aren't made of glass.
 
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