5w30-10w30 difference?

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"Right now Big Bear Lake, Ca. has lows in the upper teens."

LOL! I didn't know that many folks lived there. You definately need Shell's Rotella T, SM rated, 10W-30 up thar'. P/P 45C below; 249C flash point; TBN 10.1. Forget about the wimpy 5W-30s there!
 
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"Right now Big Bear Lake, Ca. has lows in the upper teens."

LOL! I didn't know that many folks lived there.




I guess you don't get out much do you. LOL! Besides, what does it matter if 10 people or 10,000 people live there? I just used Big Bear as an example, but there are MANY mountain areas in southern ca. that get pretty cold in the winter time. Some of the desert areas can get pretty cold as well.

The point was that a STRAIGHT 30W will not work in all areas! People seem to think all of Southern Ca. is 70 degrees year round! LOL! After living here for almost 50 years - I can tell you that is NOT the case!
 
Just saw this - Shell Canada website. Maybe you can use a 30 weight on ole' Big Bear Lake mountain! Check out that pour point! (Also, look up Amsoil's fairly new syn 30/10W-30 - can be used almost anywhere, including freezing cold Southern California, but its synthetic, not part of this topic). Next, you'll be telling us "it always rains in Southern Kalleefornnyyaaa..." (BTW - good joking w/ya!).

Performance Specifications:
• API SL
• API CD (obsolete)
Properties FormulaShell
SAE Grade 30
Product Code 425-383
Viscosity, cSt
40°C 96.4
100°C 11.7
Viscosity Index 107
Pour Point, °C -33
 
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Just saw this - Shell Canada website. Maybe you can use a 30 weight on ole' Big Bear Lake mountain! Check out that pour point! (Also, look up Amsoil's fairly new syn 30/10W-30 - can be used almost anywhere, including freezing cold Southern California, but its synthetic, not part of this topic). Next, you'll be telling us "it always rains in Southern Kalleefornnyyaaa..." (BTW - good joking w/ya!).






I'm glad you find yourself funny. I didn't say it was "freezing cold" in all of Southern Ca. I have lived in other areas that are "freezing cold"! -25F comes to mind.
You can use AMsoil if you want, but many of us don't. Shell Canada? It's hard enough to find Shell oil around here.
Yes "it always rains in Southern Kalleefornnyyaaa..." if it's the month of Feb.
I'll tell you what - why don't you try 30 WT in Okiehoma and get back to us and let us know how it goes!
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"why don't you try 30 WT in Okiehoma and get back to us and let us know how it goes!"

Geez...it doesn't pay to try to be nice to you. Anyway, I have used 30 weights in Oklahoma, they work fine of course, even in winter, and yes, our temps drop to around 10 F at some point. There is an article buried somewhere in the "Interesting Articles" section concerning the findings that mono-grade oil performed better in airplane engines. More resilient, or something to that effect. Less measured wear, even with the extremes in temperature. Very surprising, given the reaction of many on here, including your's, that engines self-destruct with straight weight oil with a cold climate. The point about Amsoil's 30 weight, had you bothered to read on their website about it as suggested, is that although it is a monograde, it satisfies the temp visc range of a 10W-30, and they labeled it so. Finally, I have lived in colder climates than -25F. So what?

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What? And lose all this fun and niceness?
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Seriously if you want to use a straight 30WT be my guest. I never said nor implied your engine would "explode"

On the other hand, I certainly wouldn't want to buy a used vehicle from you either! But that's just my 2 cents. Later!
 
When are they going to start making "universal motor oil" ?

Forget this XX w XX stuff. Just pour motor oil in? Just look for the new SN rated API "universal motor oil" meets all manufacture specs and weight rating of all grades from previous API categories.
 
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When are they going to start making "universal motor oil"


Redline 5w30 is pretty much universal. It's a straight 30 and a multigrade. It will serve where a 40 weight is needed because of it's high HTHS and will outperform conventional 5w30 in cold. Only problem would be too much phosphorus for cats, but that depends partly on the type of phosphorus. Maybe that which Redline uses in not a threat to the cat.
 
"10W-40 conventional oil? Stick a fork in the rotting corpse"

"10W-30 = gone!"

With the high quality of modern conventional base oils, I don't think any grade of oil is obselete, it just has to be used in the right application. In a thread about 10W-40, a member comapred UOA's of 5W-30, 10W-30 and 10W-40 conventional oil, and found that they all basically sheared the same amount, so no grade is worse for shear than another. We also know that modern detergent packs clean up well after this shearing, so an engine gumming up from oil residue is not a problem anymore. So the argument, don't use (10W-40) oil, it'll gum up your engine is what is obsolete.

Most engines will live a long, happy life on 5W-30 oil, but we have to admit there are certain engines that do better on thicker oil. GM OHV engines seem to be one of them. In the UOA section, there are several UOA's on Cavalier and Sunfire 2.2's that show they produce lower ppm wear numbers with 40-weight oil. Also, being a slow-revving, OHV design, a thicker oil probably won't make them noticibly more sluggish, so it is probably a good grade to run. This coming summer I fully plan on running a 40-weight oil in my 2.2 Cavalier, after seeing the success Cutehumour and others have had running this weight in GM 2.2 OHV's.

On the other hand, a high-revving, DOHC engine, with lots of cams and narrow oil passages high up in the block will probably benefit from a thinner oil that can get up to those parts faster, and not put as much drag on all those spinning parts.

People bash 10W-40 conventional oils these days, but one thing to keep in mind is that it probably saved more engines than we want to know in the 1970's, when it was at its zenith. How many poorly tuned V-8's that washed their cylinders with gas stayed alive b/c the 10W-40, sheared down to only a 30 or 20 weight, instead of a 20 or 10 weight for a 10W-30, and still protected the bearings?

Modern 10W-40 deserves a LOT more respect and consideration than it gets!
 
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