Yep. It’s just that simple.Am I oversimplifying it or is all you really need to worry about in IMC is altitude, keeping the wings level, heading and airspeed, right?
It would seem that you should simply disregard any external inputs (or your perception of inputs) and follow those instruments closely?
It’s horrible and tragic.Those kids were due to graduate LSU yesterday .
That is more accurate than most people understand. A pilot will never crash due to, let's say, icing conditions, if he never operates in icing conditions. Light aircraft operators make terrible choices all the time. Even our Pilatus PC-12 struggled terribly with severe icing, due to flying it into an area of known icing up in the northeast. As luck would have it, the de ice boot timer failed and the situation spiraled out of control.Flying small, private aircraft can be safe
I don’t know what happened in this incident, but I know most small plane crashes (probably most plane crashes, period) are due to pilot error.
It’s horrible and tragic.
Makes one start to question some people’s judgment.
This is the 2nd fatal small private aircraft crash in this area within the last couple of months (a family of 5 in a Piper was killed March 4 in a crash directly alongside I-40 in West Nashville - a man, his wife, and 3 young children).
Flying small, private aircraft can be safe. It can also be dangerous if the operator gets in over their head.
I don’t know what happened in this incident, but I know most small plane crashes (probably most plane crashes, period) are due to pilot error.
Yeah , just maybe it wasn't pilot error like most are saying .Let’s be certain to revive this thread when the final NTSB report is issued for both incidents.
Plane crashes/deaths certainly peak people's interest much more than the daily vehicle accident risks we somewhat take for granted.Flying small, private aircraft can be safe. It can also be dangerous if the operator gets in over their head.
I don’t know what happened in this incident, but I know most small plane crashes (probably most plane crashes, period) are due to pilot error.
True, until the report comes out we are only speculating but history has proven that mostYeah , just maybe it wasn't pilot error like most are saying .
Driving is far more dangerous.Plane crashes/deaths certainly peak people's interest much more than the daily vehicle accident risks we somewhat take for granted.
I tried to find data comparing small airplane flying risk vs. vehicle driving risk, but there is little out there. This one older article suggests that small airplane risk is similar to and/or up to 19 times greater than vehicle transportation (tough to interpret). Still, people's fascination with airplane accidents is interesting to me.
Why Private Planes Are Nearly As Deadly As Cars
Private air travel is far less safe than commercial flights, as highlighted by a recent string of high-profile private plane crashes.www.livescience.com
You could copy/paste that on track. Average doctor buying more car than they can handle it, skill wise, mechanical knowledge wise, and physical wise. Only difference is that track is far more survivable.The background that matters would be his training and proficiency. His recent experience.
The stereotype of doctors buying more airplane than they can safely handle exists for a reason. It’s because they do buy more airplane than they can safely handle. There are a lot of doctors who have been blessed by the arrogance fairy. Anointed, as it were. They think that because they got through medical school, they can do all sorts of other things well, too.
But what they often fail to realize is that the number of hours and the amount of dedication that got them through medical school needs to be applied to those other disciplines in order to achieve equal success.
We don’t yet know if that’s the case in this mishap, but I just have a strong feeling that, once again, a doctor got the ratings, then did not devote the time to developing proficiency, and did not have the experience to handle the conditions in which he found him himself.
The JFK Junior crash comes to mind. A very confident, young man, who allowed himself to fly in conditions in which he had no business flying.
Amusement park rides make use of your vestibular and proprioceptor inputs to make you “feel like” you’re doing something that you’re not.Am I oversimplifying it or is all you really need to worry about in IMC is altitude, keeping the wings level, heading and airspeed, right?
It would seem that you should simply disregard any external inputs (or your perception of inputs) and follow those instruments closely?
Amusement park rides make use of your vestibular and proprioceptor inputs to make you “feel like” you’re doing something that you’re not.
Those inputs easily override, your visual sense, and become the dominant source of information for your brain to figure out where you are and what’s going on. Those sorts of rides, and full motion flight simulators, take advantage of human physiology to fool you into believing something is happening when it is not.
The magnitude of this doesn’t make sense until you’ve actually flown in the clouds, and had your inner ears screaming at you that you were turning, when the airplane is not turning. It takes a great deal of discipline, as well as training, and practice, to overcome the limitations of human physiology as they apply to aircraft flight.
This is why people who fly flight simulators think they can fly airplanes. Because they are flying something that is artificial, without the acceleration or feel. Their fat butt is in their mom‘s basement, sitting on a seat, at one G, zero knots, and zero acceleration.
Flying a flight simulator, is to real flying, as playing Madden football on a PlayStation, is to the actual game.
Furthermore, you’ve only touched on keeping wings level, heading, and airspeed. You’ve neglected to talk about altitude control, and navigation. So you do need to turn the aircraft, fly a precise, heading, one that compensates for wind in order to maintain the required ground track. Just keeping the wings level is hard enough when faced with spatial disorientation. Navigating, maintaining precise altitude, and spatial awareness are a different matter entirely.
Spatial disorientation - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Driving is far more dangerous.
I’m not making a separate point, and I apologize for assuming you were leaving out the complexity of actual IFR flight-but when a pilot is suffering from a somatogravic illusion, “going wings level” is not easy.Unless you're making a separate point, I didn't neglect altitude and in a move of probable gross oversimplification, I included navigation with "heading" - my perception being that you need to at some point, make a turn to some point on the compass, then return to a wings level state.. Probably a wrong way of looking at it, but remember, I'm just a low hours arm chair rated guy.
I honestly cannot fathom how powerful the sensation is when people overrule the instruments that are no less than incredibly reliable in those sorts of conditions. It must be an inconceivable mess of fear, disbelief and confusion. That has to be a mess of adrenaline and probably a dozen other chemicals rushing through your body. Yikes. But you've got to trust and believe to in order to no auger yourself into the ground, right?
How reliable is the eddy current inspection on these? That is what the AD requires on the affected Pipers, correct?Hard landings stress and fatigue-cycle the wing spar on most low wing, small, general aviation aircraft. This is one reason why some Piper aircraft have recently experienced spar cracking. Especially flight school planes.
People have this idea that flying into exceptionally turbulent air is what causes the failures. While that can be so, we now understand that the cracks tend to exist for a great many hours and cycles before ultimate failure. In the case of the 210 spar, the crack was there for 3300 hours! The final failure can happen in straight and level flight, or in the traffic pattern, etc.
Eddy current inspections will find just about any crack. The level 2 and better guys are pretty darn good. Recently, the FAA put out some guidance that prohibited the use of simple dye penetrant for cracks in a helicopter tail rotor blade application. They correctly noted that for the penetrant to match the sensitivity of eddy current, the blade needed to be heated and placed under stress to open a potential crack.How reliable is the eddy current inspection on these? That is what the AD requires on the affected Pipers, correct?