2025 Corvette - Mobil 1 Tech Talk

[buster]

Enjoy. I'm still watching it. Tech trickles down from what they learn on the track. He does talk about boutique blenders starting around 11:15.

Talks about pre-AI modeling they did and how oil formulations have to be very carefully balanced. He gives an example of an oil that does very well on deposit control, but not so well on oxidation as an example.

Hundreds of tests to a dozen. Then you move into engine testing.

It cost millions of $$ if you want to approved/OE. Hency why smaller brands don't go this route.

They're big on proof of performance.

Looks like they do look at Amsoil/Redline.

 

[fantastic]

While I agree with the guy speaking about specification approvals being tested, when he says if it's presented as "Suitable for, it's a cop out" I think they need to looks at their own oil that does the same, so is Mobil "Copping out too"? From his own words later on in the video it sounds like it simply comes down to the cost of approvals.

Anyways, It's a good video & I think it's cool that the SuperCar is back spec'd for C4's. I couldn't find the hagerty webpage he spoke about. Interesting that he said "ESP became SC". I don't think he's referring to the x3 or x4 though.

https://www.mobil.com/en/lubricants...o-reach-the-right-zddp-level-for-classic-cars

https://www.mobil.com/en/lubricants...se-mobil-1/chevrolet-corvette-recommended-oil

 

[buster]

This is where it gets a bit tricky. You can see from this video how they can go from hundreds of test blends to slowly narrowing it down to a select few. What I didn't know, and this is something apparently Mobil does exclusively, is they go one step further and test on the track/real world even after they get the approval, which according to him not all others do.

The boutique world has an advantage in that they are not as restricted. However, they can't afford to do that level of testing or validation. They can run the bench tests all day long, run the oils in their own cars and acquire data from racing and fleets. That's also good. They can also likely get information from additive suppliers.

I see his point but I'm not anti-boutique. I'm just very selective with boutique brands. Amsoil, RL, HPL, Torco are all solid and have been around for years. They know what they're doing.

There were times in the past where I didn't like Amsoil's marketing at all when they were using the 4-Ball and TFOUT test. Wasn't cutting it for me and kind of misleading but they've changed a lot since then.

 

[GW.]

While I agree with the guy speaking about specification approvals being tested, when he says if it's presented as "Suitable for, it's a cop out" I think they need to looks at their own oil that does the same, so is Mobil "Copping out too"? From his own words later on in the video it sounds like it simply comes down to the cost of approvals.

Anyways, It's a good video & I think it's cool that the SuperCar is back spec'd for C4's. I couldn't find the hagerty webpage he spoke about. Interesting that he said "ESP became SC". I don't think he's referring to the x3 or x4 though.

https://www.mobil.com/en/lubricants...o-reach-the-right-zddp-level-for-classic-cars

https://www.mobil.com/en/lubricants...se-mobil-1/chevrolet-corvette-recommended-oil

 

[fantastic]

"No other motor oil is dexosR-approved" BUT that's not the case either. Nit picking, perhaps, but would like what were told to be the whole story not just marketing to sell. Could've sworn that we've also recently heard that FS is "Suitable for" DexosR? Just posted the DexosR picture & the 0w-40 FS is spec'd for it.
https://www.gmdexos.com/brands/dexosr/index.html

 

[GW.]

"No other motor oil is dexosR-approved" BUT that's not the case either. Nit picking, perhaps, but would like what were told to be the whole story not just marketing to sell. Could've sworn that we've also recently heard that FS is "Suitable for" DexosR? Just posted the DexosR picture & the 0w-40 FS is spec'd for it.
https://www.gmdexos.com/brands/dexosr/index.html


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With the whole truck engine 0W-20 to 0W-40 debacle GM had to rubber stamp a few euro oils with Dexos R. Which they certainly pass creating the most stringent US approval.

 

[fantastic]

This is where it gets a bit tricky. You can see from this video how they can go from hundreds of test blends to slowly narrowing it down to a select few. What I didn't know, and this is something apparently Mobil does exclusively, is they go one step further and test on the track/real world even after they get the approval, which according to him not all others do.

The boutique world has an advantage in that they are not as restricted. However, they can't afford to do that level of testing or validation. They can run the bench tests all day long, run the oils in their own cars and acquire data from racing and fleets. That's also good. They can also likely get information from additive suppliers.

I see his point but I'm not anti-boutique. I'm just very selective with boutique brands. Amsoil, RL, HPL, Torco are all solid and have been around for years. They know what they're doing.

There were times in the past where I didn't like Amsoil's marketing at all when they were using the 4-Ball and TFOUT test. Wasn't cutting it for me and kind of misleading but they've changed a lot since then.

Throw in their MobilServ UOA & they have some data.

 

[fantastic]

With the whole truck engine 0W-20 to 0W-40 debacle GM had to rubber stamp a few euro oils with Dexos R. Which they certainly pass creating the most stringent US approval.

I believe it.. I've run the 5w-40 FS for 11k & it still wasn't toast yet. Currently have the 0w-40 FS that's now apparently spec'd for DexosR but my Volvo is no Corvette..ha! Obviously, I can go a lot further miles on the same oil since it's not getting smoked like a hotrod engine would. After this FS, moving to 0w-40 X4 stocked on the shelf. LSJr video showed a difference between SuperCar & X3 so it must of been swapped over to SC before then.

 

[altaylar]

This is where it gets a bit tricky. You can see from this video how they can go from hundreds of test blends to slowly narrowing it down to a select few. What I didn't know, and this is something apparently Mobil does exclusively, is they go one step further and test on the track/real world even after they get the approval, which according to him not all others do.

The boutique world has an advantage in that they are not as restricted. However, they can't afford to do that level of testing or validation. They can run the bench tests all day long, run the oils in their own cars and acquire data from racing and fleets. That's also good. They can also likely get information from additive suppliers.

I see his point but I'm not anti-boutique. I'm just very selective with boutique brands. Amsoil, RL, HPL, Torco are all solid and have been around for years. They know what they're doing.

There were times in the past where I didn't like Amsoil's marketing at all when they were using the 4-Ball and TFOUT test. Wasn't cutting it for me and kind of misleading but they've changed a lot since then.

While I agree with your points here, i want to point out that I really respect when one openly says they had an opinion which later changes. Coincidentally, I am exact on the same stance regarding Amsoil.

Boutique path is fine so long one does not go super Small boutique

 

[altaylar]

"No other motor oil is dexosR-approved" BUT that's not the case either. Nit picking, perhaps, but would like what were told to be the whole story not just marketing to sell. Could've sworn that we've also recently heard that FS is "Suitable for" DexosR? Just posted the DexosR picture & the 0w-40 FS is spec'd for it.
https://www.gmdexos.com/brands/dexosr/index.html


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I think there is a time difference between those two visuals. When they claimed it wast
The only oil with approval, it was indeed

 

[fantastic]

I think there is a time difference between those two visuals. When they claimed it wast
The only oil with approval, it was indeed

Agree with you about the timing. But w/Mobil's resources there's no excuses...Update the darn website!
Obviousy, Mobil will want to sell the SuperCar for the Corvette as it sounds much cooler than x4 or FS.

 

[fantastic]

What's also interesting is that 5w-40 FS is the same additive package but they want the 0w viscosity for the cold on the Corvette.

 

[fantastic]

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Just like your image shows it was apparently "ESP "Formula" 0w-40 that turned into SC. I'll have to remind myself in a week. A lot to keep up with. lol