2017 Honda CR-V

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I think I might have found a replacement vehicle for my daughter. A 2017 Honda CR-V AWD, 4 cylinder turbo. One owner vehicle 113k miles. Any input on issues/reliability with these?
 
The first year of the 5th generation is prone to oil dilution when operated in a cold climate or short tripped also they seem to have short lived fuel injectors. No issues on 21 CRV but I only have 46K on it.
 
A low milage 2016 with the 2.4 Liter normally aspirated (not turbocharged) is a much better choice.

Honda and Toyota make good CVT transmissions, but the fluid in them should be changed fairly often. If the fluid was not changed fairly often and it's damaged, changing it now won't fix it. And BTW you have to use Honda fluids in Honda CVT's.

If it's an awd it also requires the rear end fluid be changed, first time 15 to 20 K miles, after that about every 30 K miles, again, only with the proper Honda fluid.

If it were me, I would look for a 2016 with 30 K miles or less, and change the cvt, rear end, brake, and antifreeze fluids using only honda fluids.

2017 was a bad year for CRV's. If you are set on buying it, it should have carfax showing cvt fluid change at or before 30 K miles, and every 30 K miles or sooner after that, and if it's awd rear-end fluid at or before 20 K miles, and about every 35 K miles or sooner after that first one, and regular oil and filter changes, and at least one brake fluid flush. With 117 K miles K miles, it needs the valves adjusted, new spark-plugs, new serpentine belt and tensioner, probably a new battery if it's original, and aligned on a hunter alignment machine. Don't continue to drive it without getting the valves adjusted, it could burn an exhaust valve resulting in requiring a new head, or even totaling the engine if the cylinder wall gets scored. And at 117 K miles, the turbo may well be nearing the end of it's life. Turbos coke up and can fail and require replacement around 120 K miles. It probably could use a couple bottles of fuel system cleaner used over several tanks of fuel. In other words, there's a lot of highly suggested preventative maintance for that vehicle at 117 K miles. There was a software update that gives priority to warming up the engine and therefore delays warming up the passenger compartment, because the 1.5 turbo does not warm up fast. Also, the 1.5 is prone to getting fuel into the oil and blowing head-gaskets between cylinders 2 and 3, especially for this first year 2017. 2017 was the first year of generation 5. It's wise to avoid the first couple years of any generation, especially if it's a brand new engine design (which the 2017 Honda 1.5 turbo was). And that engine is known to have problems when fairly new. With 117 K miles, and no warranty, your just asking for expensive problems.

2016 was a great year, it has the normally aspirated engine that Honda had been making for a very long time. But either find a low mileage one, or one that has carfax showing the cvt and rear-end fluid change were done when they should have been done.

Bottom line, a low mileage 2016 would be a much better choice, even if you paid several thousand more for it. And being normally aspirated it does not have a turbo to coke up the bearings and fail around 120 K miles.
 
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I think I might have found a replacement vehicle for my daughter. A 2017 Honda CR-V AWD, 4 cylinder turbo. One owner vehicle 113k miles. Any input on issues/reliability with these?
Our 2017 has had some odd issues, right strut cartridge blew prematurely (never heard of anyone having this issue), AC stopped when tiny sensor wire broke. Both fixed. Early on we had a battery drain issue. Yelled at the dealer they did all the software updates. New plugs, checked the "valve gap". Like new. I think around 120K miles now.

I run 0W-30, Premium fuel only. Will do a UOA soon, approaching 10K on oil. But no sign of fuel dilution here.

I would see what synthetic oil, what viscosity and change frequency.
 
Injectors, A/C compressor shaft seals, lots of software updates and headgasket (at higher mileage).
 
2016 uses R134A refrigerant for the AC. This is a fairly low cost refrigerant and since all AC compressors that are driven by an external shaft leak a little around the shaft seal ( about an ounce per year ) when a 2016 crv requires topping off its not very expensive to do, compared to a 2017 that uses R1234YF which is much more expensive and usually only dealers have recovery / charge machines for working on R1234YF systems. There much more expensive, and therefore there usually are no non dealer shops with those mechines. Dealers replace the shaft seal before recharging with R1234YF. That runs somewhere around $800.00 to 900.00 or more total for labor, shaft seal and refrigerant.

So, 2016 was the last year Honda CRV's used the much lower cost refrigerant, that cost a lot less when it requires service.
 
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Injectors, A/C compressor shaft seals, lots of software updates and headgasket (at higher mileage).
If you use complete fuel system cleaner there's a good chance you won't have to ever have to have the injectors replaced. But if they require replacement, the high pressure fuel lines and connectors and seals also have to be replaced. They are all one time use items. And this job is one best done by a highly trained certified auto mechanic. A high pressure fuel leak usually results in the vehicle burning up and being totaled. This is not a job for the do it yourself untrained mechanic.
 
If you use complete fuel system cleaner there's a good chance you won't have to ever have to have the injectors replaced. But if they require replacement, the high pressure fuel lines and connectors and seals also have to be replaced. They are all one time use items. And this job is one best done by a highly trained certified auto mechanic. A high pressure fuel leak usually results in the vehicle burning up and being totaled. This is not a job for the do it yourself untrained mechanic.
Not true. Injector failures are a major issue with the 1.5t and no amount of snake oil will prevent it.
 
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Not true. Injector failures are a major issue with the 1.5t and no amount of snake oil will prevent it.
Are the injector failures melting, or clogged? If clogged, the PEA in fuel system cleaners like RedLine SI - 1 if used fairly often may actually prevent problems.

Maybe there is not enough data to really determine one way or the other, since very few actually use complete fuel system cleaners with enough PEA in it on a regular basis.

Cleaners with good amounts of PEA are not snake oil. They work for many engines. The 1.5t ?
 
Are the injector failures melting, or clogged? If clogged, the PEA in fuel system cleaners like RedLine SI - 1 if used fairly often may actually prevent problems.

Maybe there is not enough data to really determine one way or the other, since very few actually use complete fuel system cleaners with enough PEA in it on a regular basis.

Cleaners with good amounts of PEA are not snake oil. They work for many engines. The 1.5t ?
Failure mode is unclear, but GDI environment is very different than port. Lots of carbon build up on the tips.
 
What mileage are people seeing all these failures? HG? Injectors? AC?

I believe there was a no charge AC Warranty fix on the compressor seal when the sensor wire was fixed.
 
What mileage are people seeing all these failures? HG? Injectors? AC?

I believe there was a no charge AC Warranty fix on the compressor seal when the sensor wire was fixed.

Very few people got out of the dealer with a free air conditioning fix. There is a recall on the compressor seal, but they only fix it if it's leaking, and from what I've read in the Honda CRV forums they almost always magically find that the hoses are leaking as well, which they make people pay a couple of thousand bucks for.

As far as the oil dilution, they did come out with a fix for the issue around the beginning of 2019. They found that the issue was mostly happening in cold weather states when the cars were driven short distances. Their fix was a software update and to sometimes change something with the hvac system to allow the car to warm up faster. I had this done to my CRV (2018 model) and it did help considerably with the oil dilution issues that I had. Around that time, they only were sending out letters for the fix to people in cold weather states, and if people were experiencing dilution issues in southern states Honda was refusing to help.

My sister also has a 2018 CRV. I think she was oblivious to the oil dilution issues and never checked her oil and just went in for oil changes whenever the dummy light told her to. Her turbo recently went out and caused many thousands of dollars in damages that she paid to have them fix. I suspect it was because of too much gasoline in the oil over the years, but the dealer won't admit to it.

I've got about 80,000 miles on my CRV and it has been mostly good. I change my own CVT fluid with universal CVT fluid made by Valvoline, and I don't see an issue with doing that. The CVT transmissions have been reliable in these vehicles. It's one of the things that Honda got right. Even so, I agree that the 2016 is probably the most reliable year for the CRV or a newer LX version with the 2.0L engine, but those are rare.
 
If it were me, I would look for a 2016 with 30 K miles or less, and change the cvt, rear end, brake, and antifreeze fluids using only honda fluids.
How long would you look for an 8 YO CR-V with <30k miles?

Just for giggles did a nationwide search on Cars.com and there are 18 listed, all over $20k. They had MSRP of $24-30k.
 
How long would you look for an 8 YO CR-V with <30k miles?

Just for giggles did a nationwide search on Cars.com and there are 18 listed, all over $20k. They had MSRP of $24-30k.
That is the thing. I mean same thing with older M2 for me. Finding a perfect used car….people are happily hanging onto good stuff

Anyway here is the HVAC warranty record. Which is a bit weird because the root cause was broken sensor wire and it never actually lost any refrigerant and was blowing quite cold until the wire broke. Leads me believe they just have standard words they drop in! :ROFLMAO: 🤪

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If price is low maybe. The 2.4 is better engine however maybe 2017 has great feature like CarPlay which is best thing in cars in so long.
 
What mileage are people seeing all these failures? HG? Injectors? AC?

I believe there was a no charge AC Warranty fix on the compressor seal when the sensor wire was fixed.
Usually between 75-125K.

They did you a favor on the shaft seal, even if it didn't fix the real problem. They all needed that fix and the 1234yf recharge is $$$.
 
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