I like it, too. I actually like most of the stuff coming out of Hyundai lately.
2011 Elantra
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Originally Posted By: KrisZ
I guess Hyundai is trying to move away from Toyota's lack of style, and trying to generate some emotion from their cars.
I think it's a good thing, you either love it or hate it, but at least people talk about it. When was the last time Toyota's designs generated any discussion at all?
+1 Like it or not, the design is fresh. Corolla looks have gotten long in the tooth. The Civic was a new looking design when the latest gen was introduced but delaying the total redesign a year till 2012 should help this Elantra get off to a good start. And for those not wanting turbo and/or DI, the Elantra fills the bill with multi port FI. The fender flairs remind me some of the Mazda6.
Every new car they introduce shows Hyundai is on the move for sure. They are generating a lot of positive buzz.
I guess Hyundai is trying to move away from Toyota's lack of style, and trying to generate some emotion from their cars.
I think it's a good thing, you either love it or hate it, but at least people talk about it. When was the last time Toyota's designs generated any discussion at all?
+1 Like it or not, the design is fresh. Corolla looks have gotten long in the tooth. The Civic was a new looking design when the latest gen was introduced but delaying the total redesign a year till 2012 should help this Elantra get off to a good start. And for those not wanting turbo and/or DI, the Elantra fills the bill with multi port FI. The fender flairs remind me some of the Mazda6.
Every new car they introduce shows Hyundai is on the move for sure. They are generating a lot of positive buzz.
I like Elantra looks more than Sonata's, but I have to say I like Kia's new styles even more.
Originally Posted By: JOD
If they made it into a wagon, I'd look at it. As it stands, the Elantra Touring seems like it could use a re-fresh...
FYI, new Elantra is based on i30 platform, same as the current Elantra Touring, so, in essence, it just catching up. Touring could use new sheetmetal, but I like it anyway.
If they made it into a wagon, I'd look at it. As it stands, the Elantra Touring seems like it could use a re-fresh...
FYI, new Elantra is based on i30 platform, same as the current Elantra Touring, so, in essence, it just catching up. Touring could use new sheetmetal, but I like it anyway.
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Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Then add in our HUGE trade imbalance with s. Korea. Never owned one that wasnt a complete throwaway car. Have owned: Accent, Elantra and Sonata - all 5M. DeALER SEVICE IS A ABSOLUTRE jOKE - MAKES gm SERVICE SEEM WELCOMING AND WONDERFULL. tOO bad I am attacted to the SOUL (SEOL?) for functionality. My accent got 28MPG where my Yaris gets 35-40MPG.
I have had a totally different experience--wife has a 2006 Azera Limited and daughter has a 2006 Elantra. Neither of them have had a wrench on the engine except for oil changes and neither of them are 'falling apart'. At the time when I bought the Elantra there was no other car in the same price point that had as many features or had a warranty that was as good. My daughter is not exactly easy on cars and hers is in great shape and running condition. I would not hesitate to buy Hyundai again.
Then add in our HUGE trade imbalance with s. Korea. Never owned one that wasnt a complete throwaway car. Have owned: Accent, Elantra and Sonata - all 5M. DeALER SEVICE IS A ABSOLUTRE jOKE - MAKES gm SERVICE SEEM WELCOMING AND WONDERFULL. tOO bad I am attacted to the SOUL (SEOL?) for functionality. My accent got 28MPG where my Yaris gets 35-40MPG.
I have had a totally different experience--wife has a 2006 Azera Limited and daughter has a 2006 Elantra. Neither of them have had a wrench on the engine except for oil changes and neither of them are 'falling apart'. At the time when I bought the Elantra there was no other car in the same price point that had as many features or had a warranty that was as good. My daughter is not exactly easy on cars and hers is in great shape and running condition. I would not hesitate to buy Hyundai again.
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Then add in our HUGE trade imbalance with s. Korea. Never owned one that wasnt a complete throwaway car. Have owned: Accent, Elantra and Sonata - all 5M. DeALER SEVICE IS A ABSOLUTRE jOKE - MAKES gm SERVICE SEEM WELCOMING AND WONDERFULL. tOO bad I am attacted to the SOUL (SEOL?) for functionality. My accent got 28MPG where my Yaris gets 35-40MPG.
strange post. and it's spelled SEOUL. Use a spell check once in a while
My wife's 2003 Elantra, now slightly over 160k miles, has NEVER had a repair. Only regular maintenance items, and still drives excellent, without a single squeak/rattle. Nowhere near a throw away car. And dealer service has been very good.
Then add in our HUGE trade imbalance with s. Korea. Never owned one that wasnt a complete throwaway car. Have owned: Accent, Elantra and Sonata - all 5M. DeALER SEVICE IS A ABSOLUTRE jOKE - MAKES gm SERVICE SEEM WELCOMING AND WONDERFULL. tOO bad I am attacted to the SOUL (SEOL?) for functionality. My accent got 28MPG where my Yaris gets 35-40MPG.
strange post. and it's spelled SEOUL. Use a spell check once in a while
My wife's 2003 Elantra, now slightly over 160k miles, has NEVER had a repair. Only regular maintenance items, and still drives excellent, without a single squeak/rattle. Nowhere near a throw away car. And dealer service has been very good.
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I'm not going to speak on Hyundai in a broad sense since I have limited experience but a friend has not had much luck with their 2003 Sonata in terms of getting warranty work covered or longevity. At just shy of 100k the car is falling apart and apparently burns about 3 qts in a 3000 mile oil change. In a general sense, the car is "used up".
To me it is Hyundais resistance to covering warranty items that I found most concerning and keeps me from looking at them.
To me it is Hyundais resistance to covering warranty items that I found most concerning and keeps me from looking at them.
Originally Posted By: 97tbird
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Then add in our HUGE trade imbalance with s. Korea. Never owned one that wasnt a complete throwaway car. Have owned: Accent, Elantra and Sonata - all 5M. DeALER SEVICE IS A ABSOLUTRE jOKE - MAKES gm SERVICE SEEM WELCOMING AND WONDERFULL. tOO bad I am attacted to the SOUL (SEOL?) for functionality. My accent got 28MPG where my Yaris gets 35-40MPG.
strange post. and it's spelled SEOUL. Use a spell check once in a while
My wife's 2003 Elantra, now slightly over 160k miles, has NEVER had a repair. Only regular maintenance items, and still drives excellent, without a single squeak/rattle. Nowhere near a throw away car. And dealer service has been very good.
I believe he is talking about the Kia Soul vehicle.
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Then add in our HUGE trade imbalance with s. Korea. Never owned one that wasnt a complete throwaway car. Have owned: Accent, Elantra and Sonata - all 5M. DeALER SEVICE IS A ABSOLUTRE jOKE - MAKES gm SERVICE SEEM WELCOMING AND WONDERFULL. tOO bad I am attacted to the SOUL (SEOL?) for functionality. My accent got 28MPG where my Yaris gets 35-40MPG.
strange post. and it's spelled SEOUL. Use a spell check once in a while
My wife's 2003 Elantra, now slightly over 160k miles, has NEVER had a repair. Only regular maintenance items, and still drives excellent, without a single squeak/rattle. Nowhere near a throw away car. And dealer service has been very good.
I believe he is talking about the Kia Soul vehicle.
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Originally Posted By: 97tbird
My wife's 2003 Elantra, now slightly over 160k miles, has NEVER had a repair. Only regular maintenance items, and still drives excellent, without a single squeak/rattle. Nowhere near a throw away car. And dealer service has been very good.
I have the same experience with two 2006 Hyundai cars--no problems and no where near "throwaway'.
My wife's 2003 Elantra, now slightly over 160k miles, has NEVER had a repair. Only regular maintenance items, and still drives excellent, without a single squeak/rattle. Nowhere near a throw away car. And dealer service has been very good.
I have the same experience with two 2006 Hyundai cars--no problems and no where near "throwaway'.
Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
Originally Posted By: 97tbird
My wife's 2003 Elantra, now slightly over 160k miles, has NEVER had a repair. Only regular maintenance items, and still drives excellent, without a single squeak/rattle. Nowhere near a throw away car. And dealer service has been very good.
I have the same experience with two 2006 Hyundai cars--no problems and no where near "throwaway'.
And hundreds of thousands of other owners with the SAME result as you two. But like most things, people with an bias/agenda post the bad as fact all the time. Just like other topics.
Originally Posted By: 97tbird
My wife's 2003 Elantra, now slightly over 160k miles, has NEVER had a repair. Only regular maintenance items, and still drives excellent, without a single squeak/rattle. Nowhere near a throw away car. And dealer service has been very good.
I have the same experience with two 2006 Hyundai cars--no problems and no where near "throwaway'.
And hundreds of thousands of other owners with the SAME result as you two. But like most things, people with an bias/agenda post the bad as fact all the time. Just like other topics.
Originally Posted By: 97tbird
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Then add in our HUGE trade imbalance with s. Korea. Never owned one that wasnt a complete throwaway car. Have owned: Accent, Elantra and Sonata - all 5M. DeALER SEVICE IS A ABSOLUTRE jOKE - MAKES gm SERVICE SEEM WELCOMING AND WONDERFULL. tOO bad I am attacted to the SOUL (SEOL?) for functionality. My accent got 28MPG where my Yaris gets 35-40MPG.
strange post. and it's spelled SEOUL. Use a spell check once in a while
Sorry re: caps lock post and run.
And no spell check.
You KNOW what you can do with the spell check advice, Mr. passive aggressive?
I shall not waiver: Hyundai service up here along the coast is the worst imaginable. They will absolutely ruin your car. I love the home team mentality on BITOG - Dont attack my purchase choice! ... Or Else!
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Then add in our HUGE trade imbalance with s. Korea. Never owned one that wasnt a complete throwaway car. Have owned: Accent, Elantra and Sonata - all 5M. DeALER SEVICE IS A ABSOLUTRE jOKE - MAKES gm SERVICE SEEM WELCOMING AND WONDERFULL. tOO bad I am attacted to the SOUL (SEOL?) for functionality. My accent got 28MPG where my Yaris gets 35-40MPG.
strange post. and it's spelled SEOUL. Use a spell check once in a while
Sorry re: caps lock post and run.
And no spell check.
You KNOW what you can do with the spell check advice, Mr. passive aggressive?
I shall not waiver: Hyundai service up here along the coast is the worst imaginable. They will absolutely ruin your car. I love the home team mentality on BITOG - Dont attack my purchase choice! ... Or Else!
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Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
Originally Posted By: 97tbird
My wife's 2003 Elantra, now slightly over 160k miles, has NEVER had a repair. Only regular maintenance items, and still drives excellent, without a single squeak/rattle. Nowhere near a throw away car. And dealer service has been very good.
I have the same experience with two 2006 Hyundai cars--no problems and no where near "throwaway'.
And hundreds of thousands of other owners with the SAME result as you two. But like most things, people with an bias/agenda post the bad as fact all the time. Just like other topics.
Just the FACTs man. Personal experience. No agenda. UNbiased. Don't like the tone of your post.
Originally Posted By: 2010_FX4
Originally Posted By: 97tbird
My wife's 2003 Elantra, now slightly over 160k miles, has NEVER had a repair. Only regular maintenance items, and still drives excellent, without a single squeak/rattle. Nowhere near a throw away car. And dealer service has been very good.
I have the same experience with two 2006 Hyundai cars--no problems and no where near "throwaway'.
And hundreds of thousands of other owners with the SAME result as you two. But like most things, people with an bias/agenda post the bad as fact all the time. Just like other topics.
Just the FACTs man. Personal experience. No agenda. UNbiased. Don't like the tone of your post.
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nevermind. lost cause.
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Personally, I'm impressed by the specs. I'm not a fan of the new "fluidic sculpture design language" on the Sonata and the Elantra (interior or exterior) but when I see:
- 6 speed manual trans
- 1.8 liter engine that manages to beat my Civic's by 8 hp and almost 10 ft*lbs.
- EPA ratings that are close to the 2007 old EPA ratings for my Civic.
I'm impressed. OK, the FE ratings may be a product of gearing and the car's responsiveness may suffer, I don't know. But compared to Kia/Hyundai's previous 4 cylinder engines this one looks like much more of a contender in terms of power and efficiency.
I've consistently been pleasantly surprised by the specs on new Hyundais and this continues that trend.
- 6 speed manual trans
- 1.8 liter engine that manages to beat my Civic's by 8 hp and almost 10 ft*lbs.
- EPA ratings that are close to the 2007 old EPA ratings for my Civic.
I'm impressed. OK, the FE ratings may be a product of gearing and the car's responsiveness may suffer, I don't know. But compared to Kia/Hyundai's previous 4 cylinder engines this one looks like much more of a contender in terms of power and efficiency.
I've consistently been pleasantly surprised by the specs on new Hyundais and this continues that trend.
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Just the FACTs man. Personal experience. No agenda. UNbiased. Don't like the tone of your post.
Arco, have ever had a car that did NOT have some kind of a major problem? IIRC, you broke a brand new car on the way from dealership. Was it the same one you used lawnmower oil in?
I do not think Hyundai is to blame for the car problems you've had.
Just the FACTs man. Personal experience. No agenda. UNbiased. Don't like the tone of your post.
Arco, have ever had a car that did NOT have some kind of a major problem? IIRC, you broke a brand new car on the way from dealership. Was it the same one you used lawnmower oil in?
I do not think Hyundai is to blame for the car problems you've had.
We had the pre-cats fail on my mother-in-law's Hyundai XG. A $1500 repair.
I personally think that the failure was the direct result of her 1/2 mile trips to the grocery store once week or so over the course of several years. The catalytic converters never got up to operating temperature and the engine never got up to a sufficient temperature to get out of an enriched cold start state.
Plus, she is 76. She doesn't exactly accelerate in a brisk manner. Putt putt putt putt to the store. An hour later, putt putt putt back home. She still drives safely but at speeds that might annoy even a hyper-miler.
All of that combined would have probably done the same to any car. Would have clogged a carbureted car up with carbon outright.
That is the only problem it has ever had. (knock wood).
I'm not displeased with Hyundai's quality. And it doesn't hurt that it has decent quality leather and good interior materials.
The service personnel were okay. I don't typically have a lot of nice things to say about dealer techs. They can be some of the least logical problem solvers in the automotive universe. You have a non-factory item on the car? That's automatically the problem....even if the problem is completely unrelated and a documented problem on cars of that type. The Hyundai techs and service writers were average. No better than most, no worse.
I personally think that the failure was the direct result of her 1/2 mile trips to the grocery store once week or so over the course of several years. The catalytic converters never got up to operating temperature and the engine never got up to a sufficient temperature to get out of an enriched cold start state.
Plus, she is 76. She doesn't exactly accelerate in a brisk manner. Putt putt putt putt to the store. An hour later, putt putt putt back home. She still drives safely but at speeds that might annoy even a hyper-miler.
All of that combined would have probably done the same to any car. Would have clogged a carbureted car up with carbon outright.
That is the only problem it has ever had. (knock wood).
I'm not displeased with Hyundai's quality. And it doesn't hurt that it has decent quality leather and good interior materials.
The service personnel were okay. I don't typically have a lot of nice things to say about dealer techs. They can be some of the least logical problem solvers in the automotive universe. You have a non-factory item on the car? That's automatically the problem....even if the problem is completely unrelated and a documented problem on cars of that type. The Hyundai techs and service writers were average. No better than most, no worse.
Originally Posted By: Ursae_Majoris
Originally Posted By: JOD
If they made it into a wagon, I'd look at it. As it stands, the Elantra Touring seems like it could use a re-fresh...
FYI, new Elantra is based on i30 platform, same as the current Elantra Touring, so, in essence, it just catching up. Touring could use new sheetmetal, but I like it anyway.
Well, I guess I won't be looking at the Elantra Touring, unless it's the current model: LINK
That's a real bummer, since I liked the fact that Hyundai was making a car that no one else was willing to make. Now, it's another Mazda3/Matrix clone for 2013...
It looks like Volvo are the only ones left with a small wagon.
Originally Posted By: JOD
If they made it into a wagon, I'd look at it. As it stands, the Elantra Touring seems like it could use a re-fresh...
FYI, new Elantra is based on i30 platform, same as the current Elantra Touring, so, in essence, it just catching up. Touring could use new sheetmetal, but I like it anyway.
Well, I guess I won't be looking at the Elantra Touring, unless it's the current model: LINK
That's a real bummer, since I liked the fact that Hyundai was making a car that no one else was willing to make. Now, it's another Mazda3/Matrix clone for 2013...
It looks like Volvo are the only ones left with a small wagon.
Originally Posted By: Ursae_Majoris
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Just the FACTs man. Personal experience. No agenda. UNbiased. Don't like the tone of your post.
Arco, have ever had a car that did NOT have some kind of a major problem? IIRC, you broke a brand new car on the way from dealership. Was it the same one you used lawnmower oil in?
I do not think Hyundai is to blame for the car problems you've had.
Sigh - I hate revisiting these painfull moments. I Brought the sonata in for MT tranny fluid change they put the WRONG spec fluid in and the car wouldnt shift properly, they stated there was a TSB to repair the trans, I said "it was fine before YOU changed the oil" they said they couldnt give it back to me without "rebuilding the trans", they ruined the trans and didnt even bolt the tailshaft bracket to the subframe (two bolts; one long, one short - they put the short bolt in the long position and "lost' the long bolt) Found this out by driving away and having the drive train promptly hit the hood. And it went down hill from there. I can give you a similar story about a VW fox that required a "crank kit" a week after I picked it up and what they messed up. Fitzgerald-Hicks Dodge/VW at the time. Now under new ownership as Rockingham Motors Nissan/Toyota + Honda. BTW the Yaris ran GREAT on the snowthrower oil - which is a high-spec lightweight psuedo "HDEO" semi-syn with SH level EP adds. API SH. I Know the snowthrower and tractor pictures on the bottle can throw you off. The Shell SM was OK in warm weather but seems to be having trouble with the 20 deg stuff this week.
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Just the FACTs man. Personal experience. No agenda. UNbiased. Don't like the tone of your post.
Arco, have ever had a car that did NOT have some kind of a major problem? IIRC, you broke a brand new car on the way from dealership. Was it the same one you used lawnmower oil in?
I do not think Hyundai is to blame for the car problems you've had.
Sigh - I hate revisiting these painfull moments. I Brought the sonata in for MT tranny fluid change they put the WRONG spec fluid in and the car wouldnt shift properly, they stated there was a TSB to repair the trans, I said "it was fine before YOU changed the oil" they said they couldnt give it back to me without "rebuilding the trans", they ruined the trans and didnt even bolt the tailshaft bracket to the subframe (two bolts; one long, one short - they put the short bolt in the long position and "lost' the long bolt) Found this out by driving away and having the drive train promptly hit the hood. And it went down hill from there. I can give you a similar story about a VW fox that required a "crank kit" a week after I picked it up and what they messed up. Fitzgerald-Hicks Dodge/VW at the time. Now under new ownership as Rockingham Motors Nissan/Toyota + Honda. BTW the Yaris ran GREAT on the snowthrower oil - which is a high-spec lightweight psuedo "HDEO" semi-syn with SH level EP adds. API SH. I Know the snowthrower and tractor pictures on the bottle can throw you off. The Shell SM was OK in warm weather but seems to be having trouble with the 20 deg stuff this week.
Originally Posted By: 97tbird
nevermind. lost cause.
I need spell check - but non exist in the editing frame? Word?
nevermind. lost cause.
I need spell check - but non exist in the editing frame? Word?
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