I thought this was about 2 stroke oil, I pay $7 a gallon at Walmart. I just dropped 16oz in my tank for about 1oz per gallon (128:1 ratio) to give this a try. Comes out to less than a dollar a tank.
2 stroke oil - can't be a coincidence
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The reason for my cost was that I am using Maxima's Super M 2-cycle oil, and my local dealer price is $18.99 plus PA sales tax for a 64 ounce container.
I used this because I am very happy with their Ultra 0w30 oil in my crankcase, so I figured their 2-cycle products would be just as good. It also is not a straight petroleum product, it is a blend of petroleum and esters, hence the cost.
I used this because I am very happy with their Ultra 0w30 oil in my crankcase, so I figured their 2-cycle products would be just as good. It also is not a straight petroleum product, it is a blend of petroleum and esters, hence the cost.
Maxima has great oils, but as you noted price does scare some away. The 0W30 is a top oil, but again, can be pricey.
I run 1-400 or 250 mil two stroke oil to 100 litres diesel in Cummins diesel, works great, the 92 cummins diesel has no issues with pollutioon control ext. When my 2005 X-trail warrantee is done in 3.5 years I would not hesitate to put it in this gasser's tank at the same ratio above. I have put two stroke in my current 1980 Datsun 720 series, no measuring, just dump some in, runs great.
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The Chevron site, which has a lot of general info on gas issues, says quite emphatically though with no explanation, NOT to use leftover 2-stroke gas in cars. I have always tended to do so when I got leftover when I am putting my 2 strokes away, figuring it would be a good top oil.
Anyone know what Chevron might say no? (they don't have a Contact, alas)
Anyone know what Chevron might say no? (they don't have a Contact, alas)
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EPA fine would be outrageous I imagine for a gas company to say running oil mix in the gas is fine.
I haven't seen a difference here yet with my 128:1 test.
EPA fine would be outrageous I imagine for a gas company to say running oil mix in the gas is fine.
I haven't seen a difference here yet with my 128:1 test.
Latest update from me with approximately ounce/gallon ratio (150:1 roughly):
22 M.P.G.
Maybe this is really working after all, because this tank had a lot more idling and city driving on it than the last one did. We'll see what the next tank reading holds at the same dose, I should have more "normal" driving on this tank, so it'll be a "truer" reading of the mileage increase that I seem to be getting.
Love that Maxima stuff!!!
22 M.P.G.
Maybe this is really working after all, because this tank had a lot more idling and city driving on it than the last one did. We'll see what the next tank reading holds at the same dose, I should have more "normal" driving on this tank, so it'll be a "truer" reading of the mileage increase that I seem to be getting.
Love that Maxima stuff!!!
maxima msds says PIB is only <10% in weight: it's an additive not a primary base oil. I guess it would be too expensive to buy 100% PIB from a chemical compani right?
I called Maxima and the PIB levels is approximately the same between the Super M and Tundra levels of 2 cycle lube, so I might try the Tundra product next for a more economical tank treatment with the mileage and lubricity benefits that I'm doing this for.
I'm not sure if adding straight PIB would be a good idea, but might have to check with MolaKule on that one.
I'm not sure if adding straight PIB would be a good idea, but might have to check with MolaKule on that one.
This is somewhat related to the question I asked here a few days ago. What if you used a small percentage of biodiesel or new vegetable oil? That stuff is only around 3 bucks/gallon and even small percentages supposedly help diesels out a great deal.
What kind of effect would that have on a cat or oxygen sensor? Seems like it would be much cleaner burning for both your engine and the environment.
What kind of effect would that have on a cat or oxygen sensor? Seems like it would be much cleaner burning for both your engine and the environment.
For a 4-stroke engine, you don't need a really high dosage of 2-stroke oil. Either dilute it(50:50) with a distillate(kerosene) or ester(biodiesel), or run it lean at around 400-500:1 or less. Less is better and makes it more cost effective. Biodiesel or kerosene(or both) would also help keep everything clean and prevent carbon buildup(whatever your brand of oil leaves behind).
Make sure you use either an API or NMMA certified 2-stroke oil to prevent carbon buildup.
Make sure you use either an API or NMMA certified 2-stroke oil to prevent carbon buildup.
Next mileage update from me:
Still holding at 22 M.P.G. with the ounce/gallon ratio.
Undummy, I'm currently using Maxima's Super M 2-cycle oil. I am going to switch to their Tundra product, as it has the same ratio of additives, but is mostly petroleum based, and has a lower pour point. A big cost factor is that it is almost half the cost of the Super M.
I tried that lean of a ratio to start with, and it really didn't do much. So far with my experiment, the ounce/gallon ratio seems to give me the most "bang for the buck" so to speak. I also realize that there are probably going to be differences switching to this 2-cycle lubricant, but as I said before, at half the cost, a M.P.G. loss would still be considered a big plus for the price, and the extra lubricity in the fuel quality to boot.
Still holding at 22 M.P.G. with the ounce/gallon ratio.
Undummy, I'm currently using Maxima's Super M 2-cycle oil. I am going to switch to their Tundra product, as it has the same ratio of additives, but is mostly petroleum based, and has a lower pour point. A big cost factor is that it is almost half the cost of the Super M.
I tried that lean of a ratio to start with, and it really didn't do much. So far with my experiment, the ounce/gallon ratio seems to give me the most "bang for the buck" so to speak. I also realize that there are probably going to be differences switching to this 2-cycle lubricant, but as I said before, at half the cost, a M.P.G. loss would still be considered a big plus for the price, and the extra lubricity in the fuel quality to boot.
My update - zero change on my fuel injected truck at 1 ounce to 1 gallon. Testing it now in my carbed 440 Mopar.
So, Nick tried 2-stroke oil without PIB and Dad tried some PIB containing 2-stroke oil. Nick gets zero mileage increase whereas Dad notices a 10% increase. Interesting.
FYI, Torco claims their Smokeless 2-stroke oil contains around 30% PIB.
FYI, Torco claims their Smokeless 2-stroke oil contains around 30% PIB.
I have to be honest, I can't see a 10% difference from a fuel additive alone. I would have been estatic to see a 2~5% difference. I did run 3 tanks of gas as well for my test as I was doing alot of driving. My 440 is running a slight bit richer it seems with the mix, probably need to do a specific gravity test to see what the difference is there.
Nickmckinney, all I did was add the 2-cycle oil to my tank. I'm still driving the same way, idling for the same amounts of time, and letting it warm up as much if not more than in the heat of summer. I also use the cheapest 87 octance fuel that I can find (whatever the brand). I do realize that fuel quality itself can be a controllable variable factor, but by constantly switching, my systems do not have a chance to settle in on one particular set of fuel conditions.
What brand or type of 2-cycle lubricant did you try? I have been using Maxima Super M, and will be switching to Maxima Tundra next tank, so we'll see if their is a difference in the basestock performance, not just PIB, because the PIB levels between these two lubricants are the same.
What brand or type of 2-cycle lubricant did you try? I have been using Maxima Super M, and will be switching to Maxima Tundra next tank, so we'll see if their is a difference in the basestock performance, not just PIB, because the PIB levels between these two lubricants are the same.
Dad2leia - run one more tank with the additive (3 tanks total), then run 3 tanks without and see if the gain goes away. I used the el cheapo Walmart 2 stroke TC3 stuff.
I can do that. Will keep everyone updated. After those three tanks, I'll then switch to the Tundra and see if it was all PIB, or if the ester based ingredients made a difference.
Latest update on the mileage with the last fuul tank of 2-cycle lube added:
20.5 M.P.G.
I think that the fuel might have something to do with it as the driving habits haven't changed at all, but Im sure the oxygenated fuel is in full vigor since we're in the 30's F here now.
Currently running the first tank of just gasoline to see if the number goes lower, and to see if the lube was doing it's magic.
20.5 M.P.G.
I think that the fuel might have something to do with it as the driving habits haven't changed at all, but Im sure the oxygenated fuel is in full vigor since we're in the 30's F here now.
Currently running the first tank of just gasoline to see if the number goes lower, and to see if the lube was doing it's magic.
It sounds like you are finding the same thing I did, no significantly measureable difference. My carbed motor is running the same as before, I was using the Penzoil semi-synthetic TC3 in that test in a one ounce to one gallon ratio also. I am down in South Florida so fuel is still the same here for the most part.
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