06 Tundra, redo akebono vs hawk vs wagner vs oem

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With towing season on approach I decided to take another look at the brakes on our tundra. The shoes and pads wee only 1/4 to 1/3 worn, but the rear has never been satisfactory with the wagner thermoquiet shoes and the front not much better - my family's old '57 chevy required less pedal pressure to stop.

The front had akebono pads and raybestos rotors. The rear had oem drum with wagner thermoquiet shoes.

Pad slapped the front with hawk LTS pads. I believe these are semi metallics. when cold, the hawks probably provide ~20% greater break force for a given pedal pressure than the akebonos. When warm, I am pleased to say they are maybe ~50% more, a significant increase.

I drove to the yota dealer for a set of shoes. Toyota wants a mint for the shoes. MSRP is $122. They worked with me since I found an online toyota dealer who will sell them for $72. We met halfway. To compare, wagner wanted like $30. These are expensive shoes. They had a set, with FF printed on the material.

Replacing the rear, the parking brake is easily twice as effective as it was. I noted that the wagners did not show consistent wear across the surface of the shoe. They also had a lot of wear on them, down to ~60% remaining at the ends (I had adjusted the load valve to allow more pressure to the rear in hopes of getting some brake force back), so the shoes were definitely getting used. (I can now return the load valve back to oem).

I feel like this is probably as good as it gets unless I swap over sequoia rear disc assemblies. It is significantly better than what it was before. Bottom line, while akebonos are my go-to pad, hawk beats them in this application. And drum shoes, which get no love in the market any more, are probably best left to oem.

-m
 
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While Akebonos were ok for 3 years on my corolla, I wasnt impressed with the bite they had. Smooth, sure but not enough bite to my liking. I have some Bosch pads on now and I already like the bite better but still not to where I like. I might be looking at semi-metallic next. My front pads seem to be wearing out fast so I wonder if my shoes are in need of replacement. Good to know that the Hawk's are better. Been debating trying out yellow stuff pads from ebc but seems they have mixed reviews.
 
I like the Hawk pads I put on my SRT-8, but they're a little dusty (nothing I'd consider extreme). I hear good things about both Stoptech pads and EBC pads as well. I'll probably try one of those next time around.

No suggestions on the shoes. My two vintage rides (and daughter's Jeep XJ) still have rear drums, but I just throw whatever the parts store has at them and they work fine.
 
Originally Posted By: Rolla07
While Akebonos were ok for 3 years on my corolla, I wasnt impressed with the bite they had. Smooth, sure but not enough bite to my liking. I have some Bosch pads on now and I already like the bite better but still not to where I like. I might be looking at semi-metallic next. My front pads seem to be wearing out fast so I wonder if my shoes are in need of replacement. Good to know that the Hawk's are better. Been debating trying out yellow stuff pads from ebc but seems they have mixed reviews.


I looked hard at the EBC greens. from what I could tell, EBC may have stopped harder, was easier on the rotors (so probably not metallic), dusted the most, but wore out the quickest. One review I saw also mentioned glazing, which you don't hear nearly as much of these days.

-m
 
Wagner shoes would probably be ok
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Originally Posted By: slacktide_bitog
Wagner shoes would probably be ok
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you'd think so, but they were surprisingly poor. They were 1/2 as effective as oem.
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Originally Posted By: meep
Originally Posted By: Rolla07
While Akebonos were ok for 3 years on my corolla, I wasnt impressed with the bite they had. Smooth, sure but not enough bite to my liking. I have some Bosch pads on now and I already like the bite better but still not to where I like. I might be looking at semi-metallic next. My front pads seem to be wearing out fast so I wonder if my shoes are in need of replacement. Good to know that the Hawk's are better. Been debating trying out yellow stuff pads from ebc but seems they have mixed reviews.


I looked hard at the EBC greens. from what I could tell, EBC may have stopped harder, was easier on the rotors (so probably not metallic), dusted the most, but wore out the quickest. One review I saw also mentioned glazing, which you don't hear nearly as much of these days.

-m

I had EBC Red Stuff on my VW CC, and currently have Red Stuff on Tiguan. They are very good pads. They dust (hence performance). Red Stiff are ceramic/kevlar and surprisingly good when cold for such pad.
I would try to find ATE, Textar brands, if not, I would go with EBC.
 
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