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They're both full-syns that carry Dexos1, not sure if one is better regarding more certs. All being equal, I'd say HK based on price.

FWIW I have a '17 with no tick at ~13000 mi. Been using PUP 5w20 since owning it at 8700 mi.

Originally Posted by aquariuscsm Originally Posted by rsalan Do you have a link to this VOA? I couldn't find one.. https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4762695/VOA_PPHM_0W20 Ty sir.

Originally Posted by aquariuscsm Originally Posted by SavagePatch You said "tend" so I'm not correcting you, just wanted to add that PPHM is thinner than regular PP. I've noticed that too,looking at the pds. PPHM is thinner than PP. It has at least twice the amount of moly that regular PP has...

Originally Posted by 53' Stude Originally Posted by Sayjac Whichever is less expensive. If within $1-2, PP. Yeah, QSUD is $19.97 and PP is $22.87 Rebates my man. $2.87 for 5 quarts of PP if you use all 20 gallons on the Shell gas code rebate.

Stick to Top Tier brands, and 93 octane if your car requires/utilizes it. https://toptiergas.com/licensed-brands/

5W-20 is fine here.

Originally Posted by ragtoplvr I just bought super tech syn Dexos cert 5Qt bottle at walmart for $15 and some change. M1, Penz, QS Valv all 22 to 27 and change. For a 2 dollar premium maybe. For $12, No Way. Rod I only buy M1, Penz, and the like with rebate. So it ends up being cheaper than ST.

Originally Posted by pitzel Originally Posted by TRDPRO85 How so? I'm curious as to how clean oil that's a good brand would leave behind deposits on valves? I could be all wrong about this but that would be like saying waxing your vehicle too often can make the paint come off. Most of the boil...

Originally Posted by bfleeman With only a $12-$15 difference, why settle for good enough when you can buy the best? "Best"?

Synthetic 5W-30 D1G2, SN+ on sale/rebate. I like PP myself

PYB 5W-20

Liqui Moly makes good stuff. Looks like its SN+ certified but not officially certified for dexos 1 gen 2. Noack at 10.4%. Data Sheet You can get something at WM for less with a rebate that has both SN+ and dexos though. What are you using this on?

I don't really see the argument for this oil. Super Tech Full Syn 0W-20 D1G2 is cheaper. M1 or PP/PUP 0W-20 D1G2 with rebate is also cheaper.

Not trying to be a stickler but shouldn't this be in the ‘Vehicles' section?

Originally Posted by 1JZ_E46 No d1g2 cert. If anything this is a cheaper formula with good marketing to fill the profit hole in XOM's P&L from the recent slide is crude. Looks like this will compete against Shell Rotella Gas Truck—which has a D1G2 cert..

Originally Posted by johnD2 Looks like I'll be trying out the new oil. Thanks to Shell Rotella for the opportunity !! Hook a brotha up!

A D1G2 0W-20 synthetic on rebate with a Fram Ultra. Prob 5K OCIs since it's GDI.

Pennzoil Platinum Euro 0W-40 Castrol Edge 0W-40 Use them rebates and you're GTG! FYI, "racing" oils don't have the necessary detergency properties for everyday use I believe.

Originally Posted by demarpaint That's a cop-out. Ford REQUIRES 5w-50 or 5w-20 for the Mustang GT depending on whether you have the track pack or not. By your own admission OEM's don't spec a variety of oils anymore in most cases. Running the lightest oil specified in a BMW that spec's 10w-60...