Again, I’m unsure what you’re trying to convey. It seems you are skilled at being vague enough that you escape critique for leveling personal attacks. Can we just stick to the format where everyone shares their opinion politely and moves along?
I agree that doesn’t make sense, but I think the manufacturers have a certain number in their mind “we want the engine to last this long” and if they can achieve that AND gain efficiency with a thinner oil it’s just a win win. I don’t know what that number is, but I’ve heard some people speculate that they only care to get the engine through warranty. That sounds like nonsense because no rational company would shoot themselves in the foot with bad publicity and loss of repeat business by doing this. I think these new thin oils are a lot better than people think
I’ve been here like 2 weeks and already see that staying on topic and being polite go out the window when a certain someone jumps into a thread. But that certain someone will definitely tell you that your question has been asked 30 times before and then talk to you like an idiot
When I start making posts about honey you’ll have a point.
or honey...
I feel like all DI engines dilute more than was the norm before, but oils are also designed with this in mind. A 0w-20 might be a 16 by the time that maintenance minder comes on, but the manufacturer knows this and if it didn’t pass their testing they wouldn’t say a 0w-20 is fine to use. And again, I don’t believe for a second that they’re doing this for CAFE credits or whatever, knowing that the engines are going to fail prematurely compared to if they had specced something thicker, it’s just not prudent for a business that wants to make money, and of course some companies ran into unexpected issues and it cost them big bucks to fix and a lot of bad publicity, which again is more incentive for them NOT to make mistakes again. DI and thin oils are not new and today are likely more reliable than they’ve ever been
Depends on the engine, for example big difference between DI Camry and Honda turbo DI in the amount of fuel it produces (over 5%+ on many UOA).
Yeah there is zero evidence that an engine is designed with that in mind. If there is, then let’s see it rather than just yet another unfounded statement.
“many UOAs” obviously it’s not as big of a boogeyman as some say since here we are 5 or so years later and the engine is still used in numerous Honda and now Acura products. I’m not implying it’s a good thing, but not a big deal for most people
Def give it time, the engine has been around quite a few years already but we’ll see longer term too. With Honda moving so much towards hybrids and the general push for electric, who knows where we will be in that time. And no that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t use that, I’m making the switch myself just to try and see what happens.
My tuned & partial bolt-on 3.5EB is likely pushing a little over 500rwhp on E30 fuel, and OEM calls for 5w30 synblend. I run HPL No VII Euro 5w30 for more than double the OCI than most on the board and I have not care in the world that HPL won’t protect my engine. No need to increase the viscosity when the correct oil maintains proper HT/HS throughout its life and the additives are properly dosed for maximum performance.
