Any thoughts on volvo S60 2.5T?

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FWIW - with the reference about 850's I5 engines now going past 200k, I read in a shop manual download for the '95 850, that the engine was designed for what I would guess as an average life expectancy of 200k.




I would suspect that a well taken care of the white block will easily see 300K with minimal problems. I talked to a Volvo engineer back in the eighties and he told me the red blocks(I4) were quarter million mile motors. I suspect the I5's and I6's are just as stout motors.
 
Volvo white blocks have a lot of nickel alloy in them.
There is no reason why they shouldn't go well past 200k miles.
 
I wanna volvo....haven't had one since my problematic 81 245DL with single SU...whatta piece!

Now the US models of the same vintage were more powerful, fuel efficient and slightly faster/
 
The V60 is one of their best cars. Are they still giving deals on them? Overall a lot of Volvos are delivered with problems that can be fixed under warranty. The only real problems Volvos have are with the electrical system. The V60 has the most reliable electronics of all the Volvos. The S40 and V50 are still giving electrical problems.
 
No V60s exist. There's an S60 sedan and the V70 wagon, both built on the same platform. This is currently the oldest platform in Volvo's lineup. The V70 is being replaced as we speak with an all-new model that has much more "parental" design input. The product path of the S60 is unclear at this point, AFAIK.

If you like the old S60/V70, the time to buy a new one is NOW. They're good solid cars and fairly trouble-free at this point in their product cycle.
 
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Volvohead, indulge me.
What is "nickel alloy" that will make an engine last so long? You talking about Pistons, cams, valves exactly what is nickel and why does that make it last longer.?

Also what is your source for saying the JWS 3309 Volvo dealer trans oil is "synthetic". Volvo itself calls it mineral oil, the manual trans oil is called synthetic by Volvo. I haven't found one manufacturer of the oil beyond Esso (Exxon Mobil). And that oil is not synthetic.


 
You're an engineer . . . and you're asking "what is nickel"?

Sorry, I won't troll with you.
 
Listen guy, it's not trolling,
you said "nickel alloy" exactly what does that refer to and why does it specifically translate into longer life in the engine.

Oh yes, be very careful with me on this. I am a metallurgist and know alloys, specifically nickel alloys very well. What parts are you referring to?

If you make a statement you must have some knowledge over what they used before and the current "nickel alloys".

Any source on the "synthetic" trans oil comment?
 
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Volvo white blocks have a lot of nickel alloy in them.
There is no reason why they shouldn't go well past 200k miles.



Here is your exact quote. Ferrous alloys (iron based) can be alloyed with an element called Nickel. I don't know what a Nickel alloy is though? Other than engine valves, the % of nickel intentionally in a ferrous alloy is fairly low. Probably less than .5% in most cases. What are you referring to specifically?
 
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The trend to longer fluid change intervals and "lifetime" fluids is something Volvo has only recently embraced to "keep up with the Joneses", and is contrary to their traditional philosophy. So while Volvo may no longer recommend it, it is probably good practice if you intend to keep the car for many years to change the ATX fluid much more regularly than every 100k.

The fluid used in the later P2s is a 3309-compatible type, and bulk 3309 can be used (and many dealers do use it) as a substitute for the very expensive Volvo bottled synthetic.

Volvo's dominant marketing niche is safety, however, and they will do nothing to tempt sullying that image. I believe Volvo still advocates a two-year brake fluid interval, which leaves most general mechanics drop-jawed.

Regular and comprehensive fluid changes is probably the best thing one can do to go far in Volvo's "high mileage" club.



Volvohead, please see this thread from another forum on Volvo's regarding the "Volvo Fluid". The evidence is so overwelming that it's just Mobil 3309 rebadged. That's why I politely asked where you got the idea that it's special from Volvo. Besides word of mouth.
http://www.volvoforums.com/m_57760/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#58973
 
Regarding turbos, my SAAB 900 was wrecked at 191k miles and was still on the OE turbo. Properly maintained (oil changes) a turbo won't be an issue on a Swedish car. Even my sludge-prone 9-5's fast spinning little Garret is rolling right along at 106k miles.
 
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That's why I politely asked where you got the idea that it's special from Volvo. Besides word of mouth.
http://www.volvoforums.com/m_57760/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#58973




I can't say that you have asked politely (either here or in your PM), but I did read your link and am not surprised by the GC findings, if they are legitimate.

As I stated either here or on a Volvo-related forum (I no longer remember), it is quite possible that the current issue Volvo-bottled service fill is now a Mobil 3309 product. Mobil was slow getting to the field after the introduction of the 3309 spec in Volvo's ATXs. I do know that all of Volvo's factory fills from both assembly facilities have been a European Castrol synthetic formula. For at least the first few years after introduction, the bottled service fill was from the same source. Because of the outrage in the field over the price of the bottled fluid (customers were balking and shops were losing profitable flush services en masse), many shops have since gone to the Mobil 3309 in bulk as it became available. Volvo now indicates Mobil 3309 as an acceptable field substitute in their TNNs and VEDA. That was not the case a couple of years ago.

I still stand by my assertion that when you flush the factory fill, you are flushing out a full synthetic fluid. But even fresh conventional 3309 is better than worn out synthetic 3309.

Many dealers don't move much of the bottled product anymore, so it will be hit or miss what you are getting when you ask for it.

As far as the alloy reference was concerned, we both knew I was speaking of the aluminum-nickel alloys used in the block and head castings. I omitted the aluminum as a matter of convenience, but understand how that would have confused a specialist.

While my information is based on word of mouth, those mouths are very well-placed, both here in the US and elsewhere. That's all I can really say about it.
 
You keep referencing nickel alloys, and now reference an al-ni alloy. There isn't an aluminum alloy with nickel in it. Let's just say it's not possible. Where did you "hear" this?

You mentioned synthetic as the volvo dealer transmission oil. There isn't a JWS 3309 synthetic oil manufactured. It's not synthetic and it's Mobil 3309. Too much evidence to the contrary. It's not hit or miss what you get at the dealers with the Volvo bottle that says transmission oil with a part number ending in 540 or 640. It's JWS 3309 oil specification and only manufactured by Esso or Mobil (one in the same). Castrol has never manufactured JWS 3309 oil, (it was rumored to be Trans max J by Castrol but that is inaccurate and is not even made any more. Plus it's not to JWS 3309). Asin Warner's transmissions are filled with Mobil/Esso JWS 3309.

I just wanted to know if you had any facts for your comments or if it was word of mouth.
 
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