Castrol edge 5w-30 in a 1.9 tdi dpf engine

[ozzy89]

Hello everyone,

So I have myself a little problem. Recently I bought an engine oil for my Golf mk5 2008 1.9 tdi with a BLS engine. The engine has a diesel particulate filter installed. More specifically - I bought a 5l bottle of castrol edge 5w30 c3 motor oil. Sadly, the oil lacks VW 507 00 specification, which, if I understand it correctly, is mandatory for VW engines with diesel particulate filters. The thing is - the oil still has an ACEA C3 specification and MB 229.51 specification, which, if I'm not mistaken is for mercedes diesels with dpf's. So the main question I have - would it be fine for me to use this oil in my engine or should I sell it/ get rid of it?



Thank you, everyone!

 

[zeng]

VW 50700 is for variable service intervals use and a C3.
Castrol Edge 5W30 C3 is a VW 502 00/ 505 00/ 505 01 and should be fine for use in fixed service intervals, whilst taking care of dpf .

 

[Bailes1992]

Yours being a 1.9 will be a PD.

DONT USE A 5W30 IN IT. It's likely you will flatten the cam.

Use a quality *w40 that meets ACEA C3 and VW 502/505.

Or

A quality *w40 HDEO.

 

[ozzy89]

Too bad I already did the oil change earlier today, Bailes1992

. Anyways, I looked around and compared my oil to others. So lets compare it to BP Visco 5000C 5W-40 oil which seems to be a good quality 5w-40 oil and has VW 505 01 approval. Now - looking at the safety data sheets for the oil I just put in my golf and comparing it to Visco's - I don't see that much of a differnece. In fact, density at 15°C is at 0.85 g/ml for both oils. Viscocity for the VISCO -
Kinematic: 75.5 mm2
/s (75.5 cSt) at 40°C
Kinematic: 13 mm2
/s (13 cSt) at 100°C

Viscocity for castrol edge c3:
Viscosity, Kinematic 40C ASTM D445 mm²/s - 76
Viscosity, Kinematic 100C ASTM D445 mm²/s 13.1

Seems kinda close, doesn't it?

Is 5w30 really so bad. What are your thoughts, Bailes1992? should I change to 5w40?

 

[ozzy89]

Originally Posted by ozzy89
Too bad I already did the oil change earlier today, Bailes1992

. Anyways, I looked around and compared my oil to others. So lets compare it to BP Visco 5000C 5W-40 oil which seems to be a good quality 5w-40 oil and has VW 505 01 approval. Now - looking at the safety data sheets for the oil I just put in my golf and comparing it to Visco's - I don't see that much of a differnece. In fact, density at 15°C is at 0.85 g/ml for both oils. Viscocity for the VISCO -
Kinematic: 75.5 mm2
/s (75.5 cSt) at 40°C
Kinematic: 13 mm2
/s (13 cSt) at 100°C

Viscocity for castrol edge c3:
Viscosity, Kinematic 40C ASTM D445 mm²/s - 76
Viscosity, Kinematic 100C ASTM D445 mm²/s 13.1

Seems kinda close, doesn't it?

Is 5w30 really so bad. What are your thoughts, Bailes1992? should I change to 5w40?



Ok, I'm an idiot - was looking at the castrol edge 5w40 datasheet thinking it's the 5w30 one. Never mind. Lol.

 

[ozzy89]

Well, in the end - I read some forums and a lot of people are reccomending a 5w40 for my engine so I guess that's what I should get. Hopefully I can do 5k km with my current oil and then do a change to a 5w40. What do you think? Any specific oil reccomendations?

 

[kschachn]

So you are saying that a 5W-30 oil that carries 507 00 and C3 (such as Mobil 1 ESP) will "flatten the cam"?

Originally Posted by Bailes1992
Yours being a 1.9 will be a PD.

DONT USE A 5W30 IN IT. It's likely you will flatten the cam.

Use a quality *w40 that meets ACEA C3 and VW 502/505.

Or

A quality *w40 HDEO.

 

[zeng]

Exactly, I wonder why would VW allow its cam be flattened with updated oil recommendations in VW 50700 (superceding LL 50601) in extended service intervals (and/or VW 50501 for fixed service intervals ), CMIIMW.
Btw, a xW30 with C3 has an Hths 3.5 or higher if that matters to OP.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by ozzy89
Originally Posted by ozzy89
Too bad I already did the oil change earlier today, Bailes1992

. Anyways, I looked around and compared my oil to others. So lets compare it to BP Visco 5000C 5W-40 oil which seems to be a good quality 5w-40 oil and has VW 505 01 approval. Now - looking at the safety data sheets for the oil I just put in my golf and comparing it to Visco's - I don't see that much of a differnece. In fact, density at 15°C is at 0.85 g/ml for both oils. Viscocity for the VISCO -
Kinematic: 75.5 mm2
/s (75.5 cSt) at 40°C
Kinematic: 13 mm2
/s (13 cSt) at 100°C

Viscocity for castrol edge c3:
Viscosity, Kinematic 40C ASTM D445 mm²/s - 76
Viscosity, Kinematic 100C ASTM D445 mm²/s 13.1

Seems kinda close, doesn't it?

Is 5w30 really so bad. What are your thoughts, Bailes1992? should I change to 5w40?



Ok, I'm an idiot - was looking at the castrol edge 5w40 datasheet thinking it's the 5w30 one. Never mind. Lol.

Keep that 5W30 in the engine, you will be fine. Not all of 1.9 have cam issue and it is issue that develops over time, not because of one OCI.
Next oil change move to 5W40 0r 0W40 as long as it is 505.01. You do not need VW507.00 for that engine regardless of DPF. 505.01 is mid-SAPS oil compatible with DPF. VW507.00 is primarily developed for common-rail applications.

 

[zeng]

VW 50700 is for 30,000 km or more OCI.
5000 km OCI is a piece of cake for VW 50501, which is capable of 15,000 km OCI.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by zeng
VW 50700 is for 30,000 km or more OCI.
5000 km OCI is a piece of cake for VW 50501, which is capable of 15,000 km OCI.

OCI depends on country of exploitation. VW 507.. as specification is long life, but does not say "how long." Main attributes are DPF protection. However, VW scaled back OCI in many EU countries due to exploitation demands in TDI engines.

 

[Provi]

Originally Posted by edyvw
You do not need VW507.00 for that engine regardless of DPF. 505.01 is mid-SAPS oil compatible with DPF. VW507.00 is primarily developed for common-rail applications.


I disagree. My boss was running T6 CJ4 in his 09 TDI and right before the buyback and his DPF was plugged. Luckily he was able to drive it to his appointment. VW507 calls for lower ash content than other "low ash" formulas.

In my 15 GSW TDI I will only run VW507 certified oils.I Don't want to take a chance with my 160k mile/11 year warranty.

 

[CleverUserName]

Originally Posted by Provi
Originally Posted by edyvw
You do not need VW507.00 for that engine regardless of DPF. 505.01 is mid-SAPS oil compatible with DPF. VW507.00 is primarily developed for common-rail applications.


I disagree. My boss was running T6 CJ4 in his 09 TDI and right before the buyback and his DPF was plugged. Luckily he was able to drive it to his appointment. VW507 calls for lower ash content than other "low ash" formulas.

In my 15 GSW TDI I will only run VW507 certified oils.I Don't want to take a chance with my 160k mile/11 year warranty.



How many miles did he have on his ‘09?

A DPF has a life span. I believe I read somewhere that a VW DPF is designed to last 150-175k.

I have 120k on my ‘09 and I'm noticing more frequent regens and lower fuel economy. I think my DPF is getting full and has lost capacity. I've only used 507 oil in this car.

 

[Provi]

Originally Posted by CleverUserName
Originally Posted by Provi
Originally Posted by edyvw
You do not need VW507.00 for that engine regardless of DPF. 505.01 is mid-SAPS oil compatible with DPF. VW507.00 is primarily developed for common-rail applications.


I disagree. My boss was running T6 CJ4 in his 09 TDI and right before the buyback and his DPF was plugged. Luckily he was able to drive it to his appointment. VW507 calls for lower ash content than other "low ash" formulas.

In my 15 GSW TDI I will only run VW507 certified oils.I Don't want to take a chance with my 160k mile/11 year warranty.



How many miles did he have on his ‘09?

A DPF has a life span. I believe I read somewhere that a VW DPF is designed to last 150-175k.

I have 120k on my ‘09 and I'm noticing more frequent regens and lower fuel economy. I think my DPF is getting full and has lost capacity. I've only used 507 oil in this car.


He had less than 100k on it.

 

[zeng]

Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by zeng
VW 50700 is for 30,000 km or more OCI.
5000 km OCI is a piece of cake for VW 50501, which is capable of 15,000 km OCI.

OCI depends on country of exploitation. VW 507.. as specification is long life, but does not say "how long." Main attributes are DPF protection. However, VW scaled back OCI in many EU countries due to exploitation demands in TDI engines.

Agree with you.

 

[Kamele0N]

@Provi......"low saps" HDEO (like E6/E9...) has still more "saps" then PCMO for dpf