This oil looks weak.
Advance Auto Parts 5w20 VOA
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I'm no oil aficando by any stretch of the imagination (that's why I've done a UOA and a VOA, 'cause I like to learn), but this was my first impression as well.quote:
Originally posted by SSDude:
This oil looks weak.
The MC 5w20 UOA that I just posted almost looks better with exception of the TBN.
http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=003373;p=1#000006
Guy behind the counter at AA last night told me that Havoline makes the house oil for Advance....not sure he knows or was making a sales pitch lol
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Guy behind the counter sure read the bottles well -- don't they say that Havoline does NOT make their oil?
Here's a VOA that I did based on some of the comments made about AAP 5w20 on this and other forums for. I also posted this on another Ford Forum as I'm thinking about using it. I'm a novice UOA interperter, but I'm not that wild about this oil. Looks like there's a reason as to why it's cheap. Is a SI number of 4 normal for a brand new oil?
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EQUIPMENT MAKE:
EQUIPMENT MODEL:
FUEL TYPE:
OIL USE INTERVAL: Virgin
OIL TYPE & GRADE: Advance Auto Parts 5w20
MAKE-UP OIL ADDED:
CLINT: No problems showed up in this sample of virgin oil. These additives are normal for a 5W/20 product. No moisture or excessive wear was found. The insolubles probably shouldn't be there but we are increasingly often finding traces in virgin oil samples. The insolubles aren't hurting anything. The TBN was okay for a gasoline engine oil at 7.3.
VOA
...................ACT.........Universal Averages
ALUMINUM ......0...............1
CHROMIUM.......0.................0
IRON...............0................1
COPPER...........0................0
LEAD................0...............0
TIN.................0................0
MOLYBDENUM....51..............60
NICKEL.............0................0
MANGANESE......0................0
SILVER.............0................0
TITANIUM.........0................0
POTASSIUM......0.................0
BORON.............0................30
SILICON............4................3
SODIUM............0................43
CALCIUM...........1253............1622
MAGNESIUM..........4.............81
PHOSPHORUS.......501............588
ZINC...................610............703
BARIUM...............0................0
..............................Sus @ 210F....Flash....Fuel....Antifreeze..Water.....INS
Values should be............53-62........>355... Values were...................55.3...........425.....-........................0.........TR
Black stone Labs
EQUIPMENT MAKE:
EQUIPMENT MODEL:
FUEL TYPE:
OIL USE INTERVAL: Virgin
OIL TYPE & GRADE: Advance Auto Parts 5w20
MAKE-UP OIL ADDED:
CLINT: No problems showed up in this sample of virgin oil. These additives are normal for a 5W/20 product. No moisture or excessive wear was found. The insolubles probably shouldn't be there but we are increasingly often finding traces in virgin oil samples. The insolubles aren't hurting anything. The TBN was okay for a gasoline engine oil at 7.3.
VOA
...................ACT.........Universal Averages
ALUMINUM ......0...............1
CHROMIUM.......0.................0
IRON...............0................1
COPPER...........0................0
LEAD................0...............0
TIN.................0................0
MOLYBDENUM....51..............60
NICKEL.............0................0
MANGANESE......0................0
SILVER.............0................0
TITANIUM.........0................0
POTASSIUM......0.................0
BORON.............0................30
SILICON............4................3
SODIUM............0................43
CALCIUM...........1253............1622
MAGNESIUM..........4.............81
PHOSPHORUS.......501............588
ZINC...................610............703
BARIUM...............0................0
..............................Sus @ 210F....Flash....Fuel....Antifreeze..Water.....INS
Values should be............53-62........>355... Values were...................55.3...........425.....-........................0.........TR
Silicon appears in many formulations since it is used as an anti-foaming agent.
No Boron?
Wonder how the dispersant function is performed with this oil?
Some other low cost products, such as Exxon Superflo, are out there with much higher additive levels & proven UOA performance.
Thanks for contributing this report to the VOA library!
No Boron?
Wonder how the dispersant function is performed with this oil?
Some other low cost products, such as Exxon Superflo, are out there with much higher additive levels & proven UOA performance.
Thanks for contributing this report to the VOA library!
Must be Valvoline........
I work at AA, and i've been told it's Havoline that makes it for us. just what i heard.
Does this stuff have the Ford 5W20 "rating" approval on it?
No, the only thing that it says on on the back of the bottle is "meets SM/ISLAC GF-4"
This qt of oil cost me $1.38.
Due to it not meeting the Ford 929A spec, and that no one really seems to be crazy about this VOA, I will not be using this oil in my Fords.
This qt of oil cost me $1.38.
Due to it not meeting the Ford 929A spec, and that no one really seems to be crazy about this VOA, I will not be using this oil in my Fords.
Mods, I have the PDF if you guys want to add it to the VOA library.
Pretty weak stuff, especially on the anti-wear additives. With Delo 400 so cheap, why chance it with this stuff.
Others have posted previously that the back labels of Advance Auto motor oil explicitly state that it's not produced by Havoline. The more I read about Warren-Unilube motor oils, the less I'm inclined to want to try them.
Note: Warren-Unilube (previously Warren Oil before it bought out Coastal-Unilube), the blender of Coastal motor oils, is entirely unrelated to Warren Performance Products.
Note: Warren-Unilube (previously Warren Oil before it bought out Coastal-Unilube), the blender of Coastal motor oils, is entirely unrelated to Warren Performance Products.
Yep, I vote for 'weak' as well.
Even Valvoline probably has a more stout additive package.
I'd rather have Chevron, Havoline or Pennzoil 5W-20 in my engine.
--- Bror Jace
Even Valvoline probably has a more stout additive package.
I'd rather have Chevron, Havoline or Pennzoil 5W-20 in my engine.
--- Bror Jace
No Ford endorsement, no TomJones76.
Advance Auto does enough volume to afford the testing. Makes me afraid this stuff can't pass.
Advance Auto does enough volume to afford the testing. Makes me afraid this stuff can't pass.
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